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#1 LXXVI Sep 06, 2014 11:34:25	Guys, have a serious question guys. I was DM'ing my second game ever last night in 5e. My PC's were battling a Mimic. When they were attacked by it, they were grappled. There was no apparent reason for them to have to break the grapple. They could still attack, they could still move, other PC's could attack the Mimic without hitting their buddy. What is the point of being grappled if they don't have to first break the Grapple to act? I admit, I got a little upset. Does it not make sense that if you were in a Grappled condition you would first need to beat the DC at the beginning of your turn BEFORE doing anything else? Also, is there a possibility that when a ranged attack hit this thing, another player could be hit as well?
#2 Elothan Sep 06, 2014 11:38:43	Well, you reduce movement to 0, so it could be used to keep someone from activating a alarm/trap/etc, or drag dem over to a cliff or somesuch, but as for pinin o other effects I would thinnk the grappler feat is needed...
#3 LXXVI Sep 06, 2014 11:49:14	I was told I was citing Pathfinder rules. (Which made me cringe). On page 290 of the PHB, there is nothing on this other than the speed. I understand it's not incapacitated, but IMHO, no actions should be allowed until the grapple is broken. I picture an older brother sitting on top of his younger brother playing the "Why you hittin' yourself" game.
#4 Elothan Sep 06, 2014 11:54:45	Here it looksl ike its more akin to holding somebodys arm, shirt or something. My players had the same experience yesterday.  I guess the extremely complicated grappeling rules of earlier editions made WOTC simplify it a bit to much.
#5 Jay_Ibero_911 Sep 06, 2014 11:56:41	LXXVI wrote:
#6 LXXVI Sep 06, 2014 12:35:38	Okay. I think I get it.   I am probably free-thinkng too much on this one. I think I need to figure out better monsters for this group. They are lead by someone waaaay more versed in this game than me. We call him "The Machine" for the way he builds characters so well. Everything in this Level 3 PC game is almost 0 challenge for them. I had a lot of luck with throwing x5 challenge level 4's at them in the past.....looks like I will be attacking them with a Hoard of self-healng Ogres at them next time around, lol.  Thanks guys!
#7 Psikerlord Sep 06, 2014 19:50:13	yeah grapple is for keeping  aguy in one spot, or moving him around with you. And Jay pointed out an extra bonus,knock him prone and keep him that way till he breaks the grapple, thats pretty good too.
#8 Timmee Sep 07, 2014 13:56:23	You could use a second action to make the same check and Restrain the target if you like. Don't think it's in the rules per se, but 5e is a very flexible system, have fun. In some of the moster descriptions of actions, it says that a creature grappled is also restrained until it breaks the grapple. Prolly that way in the mimic's too.
#9 Jay_Ibero_911 Sep 07, 2014 15:23:14	Timmee wrote:
#10 Sherman Sep 07, 2014 23:53:07	I agree that something along those lines should be a core rule. Grappling is boring at best. That said, it does make a huge difference in some situations. Try having your zombies grapple to pin a target in place while their allies pummel the party wizard. It's not a true grapple, but it's not worthless either.
#11 UngeheuerLich Sep 08, 2014 6:10:34	Easy:   You can move the grappled creature with you. At half speed.   So any strength based character can just grab annoyinlgly hard to hit creatures and grab them, and pull them either amid your friends. Dragging them out of the defensive position, to make room for your friend. You can also move around without fearing an opportunity attack from that creature, as you never leave its range. You can grab a friend and move him to security,   Just because it is no instant win button does not mean it is not useful,
#12 RPGBG Sep 08, 2014 7:23:05	For my bear barbarian/moon druid - grapple is pretty awesome. I have relatively low damage output, but insane toughness. Being able to shove someone on the ground and then grapple him - means that the party rogue can make deal with him both easy and safely.