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#1 briddums Aug 18, 2014 1:13:15	The rules for Wild Magic Surge are: Immediately after you cast a sorcerer spell of 1st level or higher, the DM can have you roll a d20. If you roll a 1, roll on the Wild Magic Surge table to create a random magical effect. And the rules for Tides of Chaos are: Starting at 1st level, you can manipulate the forces of chance and chaos to gain advantage on one attack roll, ability check, or saving throw. Once you do so you must finish a long rest before you use this feature again. Any time before you regain the use of this feature, the DM can have you roll on the Wild Magic Surge table immediately after you cast a sorcerer spell of 1st level or higher. You then regain the use of this feature. How do these features interact with each other? I see two options: They are the same roll. If the player has used their Tides of Chaos, any roll on the surge table will reset it. They are different rolls. So only a roll specified as resetting Tides of Chaos would do so, and any other surge would not. By extension of this the DM could have the player get 2 surges on one spell, 1 for Wild Magic Surge and 1 to reset Tides of Chaos. Our play group is not sure which is the correct option to use.
#2 silentdante Aug 18, 2014 1:43:02	short answer is #2. when the DM forces you to roll on the table, is a different thing then when he forces you to roll d20 for 1.   they are seperate things in the way i read them. the DM can make you roll a d20 for the 1 which is after any spell cast. the DM can also make you just roll on the table itself without the d20 for 1 roll but only if you have used Tides of Chaos.   my guess is they intended it to not be able to be done at the same time, so if you used Tides of Chaos then cast a spell the DM could choose to just make you roll a wild surge instead of just rolling the d20 for 1 roll. i suppose doing both at the same time would be ok, but you could only ever gain the one Tides of Chaos bonus. i would think only a more ruthless DM would make you roll d20 for 1, and roll on the table, but if they did, and you roll a 1, i guess you are rolling twice on the surge table.
#3 Daganev Aug 18, 2014 7:49:40	You can't do both Wild Surge and Tides of Chaos rolls. The word "immediately" is there to exclude the option of the other.
#4 Plaguescarred1 Aug 18, 2014 12:06:21	silentdante wrote:
#5 shivafang Aug 18, 2014 12:17:31	Similar to what silentdante said (in a much more concise form);   If Tides of Chaos has been used and the sorcerer casts a spell, the DM has 3 choices; 1)  Do nothing (The DM can choose not to trigger a wild magic surge.  This isn't very fun for the Wild Magic Player) 2)  Ask the player to roll a 1d20 - a 1 triggers a Wild Magic Surge.  This does NOT reset Tides of Chaos. 3)  Trigger a wild magic surge immediately without a d20 roll.  This DOES reset Tides of Chaos.   The only reason someone would be confused by this is if they think the Wild Magic Surge rolls happens automatically.  It does not - the DM has to ask for it for it to happen.