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#1 Vowtz Sep 05, 2014 14:20:07	If I go Monk 5/Druid 2: 1. Can I use my [martial arts] in bear form with Wild Shape, since it's a class feature, and you're supposed to retain class features? 2. Can I use [Flurry of Blows], [Unarmored Defense], and other monk stuff which require being unarmored even if I'm shaped as bear with natural armor? 3. Can I use my [Extra Attack] feature from monk class in bear form? if so, can I bite again or make another claw attack? 4. Will I get monk's [unarmored movement] bonus added my bear form's speed, since it's a class feature? 5. Can use my [Ability Score Improvement] from monk's class in bear form, since it's a class feature? 6. Can use my [Deflect Missiles] from monk's class in bear form, since it's a class feature? Don't say it makes no sense, we all watched the movie (actually, I didn't...) and know how it's supposed to look like.
#2 Goober4473 Sep 05, 2014 14:34:27	1. Yes, but only for unarmed strikes. It has no effect on natural weapons, and natural weapons are not monk weapons. Of course, as a kung fu panda, you'll be making unarmed attacks anyways. 2. Flurry of Blows functions as normal, allowing specifically extra unarmed strikes. Unarmored defense works, but does not stack with natural armor, since "your AC equals..." Use the better of 10 + Dex + Wis or the form's normal AC. Anything that requries you to be unarmoed qualifies, as you are wearing no armor. 3. You can use it, but not during a multiattack. Multiattack is its own special action, and not the Attack action. If you take the Attack action (for instance a kung fu kick, or a single bite), however, you can indeed use extra attack. 4. Unarmored movement applies, as you wear no armor. 5. Yes and no. Mostly no. Abiltiy score improvements are permanent, not ongoing buffs. They affect your abiltiy scores, and wild shape replaces your physical abiltiy scores. But your mental scores remain, so any bonuses you've applied there still function normally. 6. Yes. You can be a bear that deflects arrows.
#3 obsid Sep 05, 2014 20:15:29	I agree with everything Goober4473 said, except that you cant use it and multi-attack. There is no reason to believe that multi-attack isnt the same as any attack action (just a special kind of attack action like a figher gets to use multiple attacks during his attack action).
#4 Kalani Sep 05, 2014 20:28:24	Sorry to disappoint you obsid - but Multiattack is a specific type of action. The attack action is another specific type of action. The only thing they both have in common is that they both involve making attacks. They are mutually exclusive uses of the attack action. Extra Attacks only works when combined with the attack action. The same thing applies in the case of Martial Arts or FoB.
#5 1eejit Sep 06, 2014 1:04:58	Vowtz wrote:
(Reply to #4) obsid	Kalani wrote:
#7 Dastion Sep 07, 2014 22:09:38	Kalani is correct. Multiattack and Attack are different types of Actions, everything under the "Action" category of a monster entry is a different single type of action they can take. Multiattack just lets them use a combination of their normal actions. In fact, multi-attack generally specifically says which weapons the creature attacks with. For example, a Black Bear Multiattack says they have to use a bite and a claw. They can't bite twice or claw twice. Extra attack specifically says "when you take the attack action on your turn". If your DM rules that the beast is capable of making martial attacks then he may, but you'll do so using the attack action and unarmed strikes. You can't use natural weapons because they aren't a monk weapon. As to where Kalani got the information, it's really not hard to figure out. Read the entries for Martial Arts, Extra Attack. and an animal with multiattack.
#8 Kalani Sep 07, 2014 22:47:55	obsid wrote:
#9 Kalani Sep 07, 2014 23:01:49	FYI, disagreeing with someone who fails to cite references is rude. I was simply trying to be helpful without bogging down my response with quoted references (which you can see, results in a very long and time-consuming post, as shown above).... Given your attitude, I do not think you appreciate the amount of effort it takes to transcribe such references from a printed book, and to look up specific page numbers, etc.

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Vowtz

Sep 05, 2014 14:20:07

If I go Monk 5/Druid 2:

1. Can I use my [martial arts] in bear form with Wild Shape, since it's a class feature, and you're supposed to retain class features?

2. Can I use [Flurry of Blows], [Unarmored Defense], and other monk stuff which require being unarmored even if I'm shaped as bear with natural armor?

3. Can I use my [Extra Attack] feature from monk class in bear form? if so, can I bite again or make another claw attack?

4. Will I get monk's [unarmored movement] bonus added my bear form's speed, since it's a class feature?

5. Can use my [Ability Score Improvement] from monk's class in bear form, since it's a class feature?

6. Can use my [Deflect Missiles] from monk's class in bear form, since it's a class feature?

Don't say it makes no sense, we all watched the movie (actually, I didn't...) and know how it's supposed to look like.

Goober4473

Sep 05, 2014 14:34:27

1. Yes, but only for unarmed strikes. It has no effect on natural weapons, and natural weapons are not monk weapons. Of course, as a kung fu panda, you'll be making unarmed attacks anyways.

2. Flurry of Blows functions as normal, allowing specifically extra unarmed strikes. Unarmored defense works, but does not stack with natural armor, since "your AC equals..." Use the better of 10 + Dex + Wis or the form's normal AC. Anything that requries you to be unarmoed qualifies, as you are wearing no armor.

3. You can use it, but not during a multiattack. Multiattack is its own special action, and not the Attack action. If you take the Attack action (for instance a kung fu kick, or a single bite), however, you can indeed use extra attack.

4. Unarmored movement applies, as you wear no armor.

5. Yes and no. Mostly no. Abiltiy score improvements are permanent, not ongoing buffs. They affect your abiltiy scores, and wild shape replaces your physical abiltiy scores. But your mental scores remain, so any bonuses you've applied there still function normally.

6. Yes. You can be a bear that deflects arrows.

obsid

Sep 05, 2014 20:15:29

I agree with everything Goober4473 said, except that you cant use it and multi-attack. There is no reason to believe that multi-attack isnt the same as any attack action (just a special kind of attack action like a figher gets to use multiple attacks during his attack action).

Kalani

Sep 05, 2014 20:28:24

Sorry to disappoint you obsid - but Multiattack is a specific type of action. The attack action is another specific type of action. The only thing they both have in common is that they both involve making attacks. They are mutually exclusive uses of the attack action. Extra Attacks only works when combined with the attack action. The same thing applies in the case of Martial Arts or FoB.

1eejit

Sep 06, 2014 1:04:58

Vowtz wrote:

(Reply to #4)

obsid

Kalani wrote:

Dastion

Sep 07, 2014 22:09:38

Kalani is correct. Multiattack and Attack are different types of Actions, everything under the "Action" category of a monster entry is a different single type of action they can take. Multiattack just lets them use a combination of their normal actions. In fact, multi-attack generally specifically says which weapons the creature attacks with. For example, a Black Bear Multiattack says they have to use a bite and a claw. They can't bite twice or claw twice.

Extra attack specifically says "when you take the attack action on your turn".

If your DM rules that the beast is capable of making martial attacks then he may, but you'll do so using the attack action and unarmed strikes. You can't use natural weapons because they aren't a monk weapon.

As to where Kalani got the information, it's really not hard to figure out. Read the entries for Martial Arts, Extra Attack. and an animal with multiattack.

Kalani

Sep 07, 2014 22:47:55

obsid wrote:

Kalani

Sep 07, 2014 23:01:49

FYI, disagreeing with someone who fails to cite references is rude. I was simply trying to be helpful without bogging down my response with quoted references (which you can see, results in a very long and time-consuming post, as shown above).... Given your attitude, I do not think you appreciate the amount of effort it takes to transcribe such references from a printed book, and to look up specific page numbers, etc.