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#1 thatbozarthguy Jul 30, 2015 21:26:51	If there already was a thread for this then I apologize, I searched for it and didn't see anything about this. Does the Life Cleric Disciple of Life ability apply to Goodberry? Disciple of Life: "Also starting at 1st level, your healing spells are more effective. Whenever you use a spell of 1st level or higher to restore hit points to a creature, the creature regains additional hit points equal to 2 + the spell's level." (page 60, phb) Goodberry: Casting time - 1 action, range - touch, components - V,S,M (a sprig of mistletoe), duration - instantaneous. "Up to ten berries appear in your hand and are infused with magic for the duration. A creature can use its action to eat one berry. Eating a berry restores 1 hit point and the berry provides enough nourishment to sustain a creature for one day. The berries lose their potency if they have not been consumed within 24 hours of casting this spell." (page 246, phb) So I can see 2 ways of viewing this. The first is yes, because the spell makes something that restores hit points. The second is no, because the spell itself doesn't directly restore hit points. Personally I am in favor of the first. I came across this when I was looking at making a Human with the Magic Initiate feat while making a cleric. Goodberry is in the druid spell list which is one of the spell lists that you can pull spells from with the feat.
#2 transcendantviewer Jul 30, 2015 21:33:00	The general consensus is that it's up to you. People will argue yay and nay until they're blue in the face, but either one is fine. Goodberry's a medic "Get up and go" spell anyway, this just makes it a little better.
#3 Rya.Reisender Jul 30, 2015 23:14:21	Yes, no clear answer on this one yet. It's something that would need clarification through Sage Advice. Allowing it to work on goodberries make the spell quite... strong. That's pretty much the only reason not to allow it.
#4 Danny_Montanny Jul 31, 2015 5:10:35	I rule that "healing spells" when it comes to Life Cleric only work with evocations. Goodberry is a transmutation, so it doesn't jive with me. It's not a "healing spell", it's a spell that changes a thing to a different thing (that just so happens to minimally heal you, not to mention having other effects). Healing spells heal, that's all they do. They're direct and serve a singular purpose, that's why the Life Cleric gets their bonus in them.
#5 jaelis Jul 31, 2015 6:02:52	IMO the best way to play is that each berry heals 1 hp still, but a life cleric makes extra berries when cast. However we do have from Twitter: Q: Hola gents! Quick question, does Discipline of Life works on Goodberry granting every goodberry additional HP? Jeramy Crawford: I would allow it.
#6 mellored Jul 31, 2015 6:18:01	it's no stronger then the healer feat, which also takes a level to get. and since you can't eat mouthfulls of them, it's pretty much out of combat only.
#7 Lucas_Blackstone Jul 31, 2015 20:28:12	I don't know why there is an issue with this. The spell creates berries. Once the spell creates the berries, it's done. The spell does no healing. The regaining of hit points comes from eating the berry, not casting a spell. No spell is being used to restore hit points. Example: Bob the cleric/druid casts Goodberry, and chooses 7 berries ( because 7 is his lucky number ) to appear in his hand. Two hours later, his buddy Elvis the rogue is injured and uses an action to eat a berry. No spell was cast by Elvis, or Bob, so there is no way for Disciple to trigger since it says to use a spell. 1 hp is restored, and Elvis has had enough nourishment for one day. Bob did not use Goodberry to restore those hit points, he used the Goodberry spell two hours previously to the hit points being restored.
(Reply to #5) guachi	jaelis wrote:
#9 Kremdes Sep 04, 2015 2:25:06	Rya.Reisender wrote:
#10 Rya.Reisender Sep 04, 2015 10:20:21	Yeah, we all saw that, this thread is like a month old y'know. =p
#11 Elfcrusher Sep 04, 2015 13:04:06	Honestly I'm surprised at the official response. I would have thought an increase in the number of berries a much better answer. That the way the total healing increases by a proportion similar to other spells. That's how I'll rule it if it ever comes up.
#12 jaelis Sep 04, 2015 13:15:45	Elfcrusher wrote:
#13 Rya.Reisender Sep 05, 2015 1:11:12	Jeremy explained that he doesn't consider it too powerful because eating a single berry requires a full action.
(Reply to #13) Filksinger	Rya.Reisender wrote:
#15 Rya.Reisender Sep 05, 2015 5:50:18	Well by default rules recovering between combat is not that hard. Spells, potions, hit dice (short rests), second wind. Unless the situation is very time sensitive you can easily fully heal up after every battle even without goodberries. In 5e every combat is a battle for life and death and resource-management is less important. Of course if your DM forbids recovery from long rests, then it makes sense that he also changes the official goodberry rule.
#16 jaelis Sep 05, 2015 6:32:14	Rya.Reisender wrote:
#17 Rya.Reisender Sep 05, 2015 6:34:40	It is, but it also requires you to multiclass. And except for potions, all the rest is basically unlimited resources and they all recover on rests.
#18 jaelis Sep 05, 2015 7:09:55	Rya.Reisender wrote:
(Reply to #18) Filksinger	[quote="jaelis"] Rya.Reisender wrote:
#20 El_Condoro Sep 06, 2015 0:55:11	How did the sorceror get drained to an Int of 1?
(Reply to #20) Filksinger	El_Condoro wrote:
#22 CrazyMcNinja Sep 08, 2015 18:22:08	Danny_Montanny wrote:
#23 RCanine Sep 08, 2015 20:34:01	CrazyMcNinja wrote:
#42 Yunru Sep 15, 2015 11:54:24	Well obviously you get disadvantage on dexterity checks, but resistance to cold damage and resistance to fire damage :P
#43 LordCorwin Sep 15, 2015 14:37:26	Comedy doesn't always translate into written mediums I suppose. Mea culpa.
#44 Macv12 Sep 15, 2015 18:15:06	They are magic. How many calories of energy are involved in the detonation of a fireball? Were they there before? Of course "calories" aren't all you get from eating, you also need specific things like vitamins and iron. If each berry contains both sufficient energy and sufficient specific nutrients for one day, I suspect getting fat would be the least of your problems. You'd probably more preoccupied with the liver damage, constipation, wonky immune system, poor blood clotting, etc. that tend to follow from getting too much zinc and such.
#45 Slagger_the_Chuul Sep 15, 2015 22:34:20	AaronOfBarbaria wrote:

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thatbozarthguy

Jul 30, 2015 21:26:51

If there already was a thread for this then I apologize, I searched for it and didn't see anything about this.

Does the Life Cleric Disciple of Life ability apply to Goodberry?

Disciple of Life: "Also starting at 1st level, your healing spells are more effective. Whenever you use a spell of 1st level or higher to restore hit points to a creature, the creature regains additional hit points equal to 2 + the spell's level." (page 60, phb)

Goodberry: Casting time - 1 action, range - touch, components - V,S,M (a sprig of mistletoe), duration - instantaneous.

"Up to ten berries appear in your hand and are infused with magic for the duration. A creature can use its action to eat one berry. Eating a berry restores 1 hit point and the berry provides enough nourishment to sustain a creature for one day. The berries lose their potency if they have not been consumed within 24 hours of casting this spell." (page 246, phb)

So I can see 2 ways of viewing this.

The first is yes, because the spell makes something that restores hit points.

The second is no, because the spell itself doesn't directly restore hit points.

Personally I am in favor of the first.

I came across this when I was looking at making a Human with the Magic Initiate feat while making a cleric. Goodberry is in the druid spell list which is one of the spell lists that you can pull spells from with the feat.

transcendantviewer

Jul 30, 2015 21:33:00

The general consensus is that it's up to you. People will argue yay and nay until they're blue in the face, but either one is fine. Goodberry's a medic "Get up and go" spell anyway, this just makes it a little better.

Rya.Reisender

Jul 30, 2015 23:14:21

Yes, no clear answer on this one yet. It's something that would need clarification through Sage Advice.

Allowing it to work on goodberries make the spell quite... strong. That's pretty much the only reason not to allow it.

Danny_Montanny

Jul 31, 2015 5:10:35

I rule that "healing spells" when it comes to Life Cleric only work with evocations. Goodberry is a transmutation, so it doesn't jive with me. It's not a "healing spell", it's a spell that changes a thing to a different thing (that just so happens to minimally heal you, not to mention having other effects). Healing spells heal, that's all they do. They're direct and serve a singular purpose, that's why the Life Cleric gets their bonus in them.

jaelis

Jul 31, 2015 6:02:52

IMO the best way to play is that each berry heals 1 hp still, but a life cleric makes extra berries when cast.

However we do have from Twitter:

Q: Hola gents! Quick question, does Discipline of Life works on Goodberry granting every goodberry additional HP?
Jeramy Crawford: I would allow it.

mellored

Jul 31, 2015 6:18:01

it's no stronger then the healer feat, which also takes a level to get.
and since you can't eat mouthfulls of them, it's pretty much out of combat only.

Lucas_Blackstone

Jul 31, 2015 20:28:12

I don't know why there is an issue with this. The spell creates berries. Once the spell creates the berries, it's done. The spell does no healing. The regaining of hit points comes from eating the berry, not casting a spell. No spell is being used to restore hit points.

Example: Bob the cleric/druid casts Goodberry, and chooses 7 berries ( because 7 is his lucky number ) to appear in his hand. Two hours later, his buddy Elvis the rogue is injured and uses an action to eat a berry. No spell was cast by Elvis, or Bob, so there is no way for Disciple to trigger since it says to use a spell. 1 hp is restored, and Elvis has had enough nourishment for one day. Bob did not use Goodberry to restore those hit points, he used the Goodberry spell two hours previously to the hit points being restored.

(Reply to #5)

guachi

jaelis wrote:

Kremdes

Sep 04, 2015 2:25:06

Rya.Reisender wrote:

#10

Rya.Reisender

Sep 04, 2015 10:20:21

Yeah, we all saw that, this thread is like a month old y'know. =p

#11

Elfcrusher

Sep 04, 2015 13:04:06

Honestly I'm surprised at the official response. I would have thought an increase in the number of berries a much better answer. That the way the total healing increases by a proportion similar to other spells. That's how I'll rule it if it ever comes up.

#12

jaelis

Sep 04, 2015 13:15:45

Elfcrusher wrote:

#13

Rya.Reisender

Sep 05, 2015 1:11:12

Jeremy explained that he doesn't consider it too powerful because eating a single berry requires a full action.

(Reply to #13)

Filksinger

Rya.Reisender wrote:

#15

Rya.Reisender

Sep 05, 2015 5:50:18

Well by default rules recovering between combat is not that hard. Spells, potions, hit dice (short rests), second wind. Unless the situation is very time sensitive you can easily fully heal up after every battle even without goodberries.

In 5e every combat is a battle for life and death and resource-management is less important.

Of course if your DM forbids recovery from long rests, then it makes sense that he also changes the official goodberry rule.

#16

jaelis

Sep 05, 2015 6:32:14

Rya.Reisender wrote:

#17

Rya.Reisender

Sep 05, 2015 6:34:40

It is, but it also requires you to multiclass.

And except for potions, all the rest is basically unlimited resources and they all recover on rests.

#18

jaelis

Sep 05, 2015 7:09:55

Rya.Reisender wrote:

(Reply to #18)

Filksinger

[quote="jaelis"]

Rya.Reisender wrote:

#20

El_Condoro

Sep 06, 2015 0:55:11

How did the sorceror get drained to an Int of 1?

(Reply to #20)

Filksinger

El_Condoro wrote:

#22

CrazyMcNinja

Sep 08, 2015 18:22:08

Danny_Montanny wrote:

#23

RCanine

Sep 08, 2015 20:34:01

CrazyMcNinja wrote:

#42

Yunru

Sep 15, 2015 11:54:24

Well obviously you get disadvantage on dexterity checks, but resistance to cold damage and resistance to fire damage :P

#43

LordCorwin

Sep 15, 2015 14:37:26

Comedy doesn't always translate into written mediums I suppose. Mea culpa.

#44

Macv12

Sep 15, 2015 18:15:06

They are magic. How many calories of energy are involved in the detonation of a fireball? Were they there before?

Of course "calories" aren't all you get from eating, you also need specific things like vitamins and iron. If each berry contains both sufficient energy and sufficient specific nutrients for one day, I suspect getting fat would be the least of your problems. You'd probably more preoccupied with the liver damage, constipation, wonky immune system, poor blood clotting, etc. that tend to follow from getting too much zinc and such.

#45

Slagger_the_Chuul

Sep 15, 2015 22:34:20

AaronOfBarbaria wrote: