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#1 SkullKingX Apr 14, 2015 20:00:04	Scenario: A huge sized creature is in between a daylight spell and a drow. Does the drow take penalties from the daylight spell. I rulled the since the creature provided half-cover it caused a lightly obscurred (equivalent to dim light [shadow]) area, so it does not take Sunlight Sensitivity penalty. How would you rule this?
#2 Rya.Reisender Apr 15, 2015 2:45:46	Hmm, I dunno. I would say that if there is no obstacle between a light source and a target object, then the object takes 100% of that light's energy. So even if you have half cover, half your body will still take full light, it won't suddenly be dim light. Dim light is more when the daylight reflects at the walls and you only receive the reflected light from the walls rather than from a direct line.   That being said, a huge sized creature can probably provide more than half cover to a normal sized creature (I know the rules state creatures provide half cover, but imo it depends on the creature's body structure and size).   Not sure about the drow penalty, though (don't have the advanced rules with me) but if a drow gets the penalty if even a single ray of daylight hits him, then the penalty should be present even with half cover. Likewise - if you are in a forest and it's the middle of the day and half the sun light hits your body, whereas the other half is shadowed by leaves on the trees - would you take the penalty or not? Pretty similar situation. Anyway what matters is what the rules state on when the drow receives the penalty. If there is no clear rule on it, the DM has to decide.
#3 Danny_Montanny Apr 15, 2015 4:55:39	Except that the light created by Daylight isn't sunlight, so the point is moot. There are only a few spells that replicate sunlight and this isn't one of them, despite what the name implies.
#4 Bloodscythe Apr 15, 2015 4:58:27	I'd say that while the drow is in the other creature's shadow, assuming his face is in shadow, keeping the light out of the drow's eyes, they are in dim light and their light sensitivity isn't a factor.  If the drow is having to look around the creature though to target others, they're exposing their face to the light and their light sensitivity is a factor.   Are drow affected by bright light or does it have to be sunlight?
#5 Danny_Montanny Apr 15, 2015 7:56:25	The racial trait is called Sunlight Sensitivity, after all, and specifically states sunlight in its description. Torches crate an area of bright light. Are you saying a Drow is effected the same way by a torch as the sun?
#6 Rya.Reisender Apr 15, 2015 12:20:34	Oh yeah, Danny is right. While the spell is called "Daylight", its description clearly states that it just creates "bright light" and not sunlight. It's a bit confusing because I'd understand "daylight" as synonym for sunlight. Bright light, however, is just any light from any torch or even the light cantrip.   There is no real "daylight" light type, just: Sunlight, bright light and dim light. And the rules specifically refer to one or multiple of those three in each section.
#7 guachi Apr 15, 2015 15:43:31	If you go by a typical camera, I get shutter speeds of, like, 1/1000 of a second at ISO 100 with my camera in daylight and (just tested) 2s in a moderately lit room at ISO 100. That's 2000x times more light. Which is a way of saying that daylight is super bright .
#8 SkullKingX Apr 15, 2015 20:10:02	Ok. So the way I understand you Danny_Montanny, Sunlight is a particular type of bright light. The Daylight spell states, "...sphere is 'bright light' and sheds..." not 'sunlight.' So figuring out the shadow has no purpose for this disgustion. That actually makes things easier. Wow, super debuffed daylight; unless daylight has always been that way. Makes me wanna look back. Rya Reisender keep in mind that no one in a fight is standing still, so anyone behind another person should always have half cover if they are the same size. The person is an obsticle along the path of that creature. Regardless of light, they should always be more protected simply because there is a good sized mass between the shooter and the target.   Thank you for your imput and [with all puns intended] you enlightment.
#9 Rya.Reisender Apr 16, 2015 4:00:56	I never said that a creature doesn't provide half cover. But imagine there is a creature that turns to stone the moment sunlight hits its skin, then even if half of the sunlight is blocked by something, the creature will still turn to stone.   And Sunlight isn't a particular type of "bright light". Sunlight, bright light and dim light are particular levels of light. Basically three levels of intensity. Though there are other differences like what kind of rays are included.   Just think of sunburn. If you are in the sunlight for too long you get sunburned, but you can sit in a brightly lit room at night for hours and nothing happens. And if you have clothing on, you still get sunburn on the areas not covered by clothing.