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#1 magix0 Aug 30, 2014 22:45:12	The way I read it, advantage/disadvantage doesn't matter. When I spend the luck point I still get to roll another d20 and get to choose that result if I want to, correct?
#2 Overpromises Aug 30, 2014 23:25:05	magix0 wrote:
(Reply to #2) magix0	Is it a reroll? The text says additional die. So if I say have disadvantage, and I roll 2d20 and get a 3 and 15. I spend a luck point and roll an additional d20 and get a 10. So my choice is between the 3 and the 10, correct?
#4 alienux Aug 31, 2014 6:50:23	magix0 wrote:
#5 Yunru Aug 31, 2014 4:58:21	Lucky's also a feat btw (and the title even specifies we're on about the feat). L u c k y You have inexplicable luck that seems to kick in at just the right moment. You have 3 luck points. Whenever you make an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw, you can spend one luck point to roll an additional d20. You can choose to spend one o f your luck points after you roll the die, but before the outcome is determined. You choose which o f the d20s is used for the attack roll, ability check, or saving throw. You can also spend one luck point when an attack roll is made against you. Roll a d20, and then choose whether the attack uses the attacker’s roll or yours. If more than one creature spends a luck point to influence the outcome o f a roll, the points cancel each other out; no additional dice are rolled. You regain your expended luck points w hen you finish a long rest.
#6 Noctaem Aug 31, 2014 6:28:33	Actually, because the feat specifically calls out that "You choose which of the d20's is used for the attack roll, ability check, or saving throw" you can ignore the disadvantage general rule. This is a good example of specific vs general. Same for the second paragraph about creatures attacking you. You ignore any advantage the creature might have against you since "... then choose whether the attack uses the attacker's roll or yours." So if you have disadvantage and you roll 2 and 5 on the base d20 rolls and a 20 with your luck point you can absolutely take the 20. Again this is because it specifically states that YOU get to choose which of the d20's you take as the result of the roll. Specific vs General, specific always wins. The general in this case being the advantage / disadvantage rules and the specific being the feat. Of course I'm sure many will disagree so ETV. We might be able to get a dev to answer this question as well so as to save ourselves 20 pages of yes / no posts.
#7 FarBeyondC Aug 31, 2014 6:33:49	magix0 wrote:
#8 FarBeyondC Aug 31, 2014 6:42:12	FarBeyondC wrote:
#9 alienux Aug 31, 2014 6:49:32	Yunru wrote:
#10 Noctaem Aug 31, 2014 7:00:15	FarBeyondC wrote:
#11 FarBeyondC Aug 31, 2014 6:56:28	Noctaem wrote:
#12 magix0 Sep 01, 2014 3:22:48	Thanks guys, this has been helpful

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magix0

Aug 30, 2014 22:45:12

The way I read it, advantage/disadvantage doesn't matter. When I spend the luck point I still get to roll another d20 and get to choose that result if I want to, correct?

Overpromises

Aug 30, 2014 23:25:05

magix0 wrote:

(Reply to #2)

magix0

Is it a reroll? The text says additional die.

So if I say have disadvantage, and I roll 2d20 and get a 3 and 15. I spend a luck point and roll an additional d20 and get a 10. So my choice is between the 3 and the 10, correct?

alienux

Aug 31, 2014 6:50:23

magix0 wrote:

Yunru

Aug 31, 2014 4:58:21

Lucky's also a feat btw (and the title even specifies we're on about the feat).

L u c k y
You have inexplicable luck that seems to kick in at just
the right moment.
You have 3 luck points. Whenever you make an attack
roll, an ability check, or a saving throw, you can spend
one luck point to roll an additional d20. You can choose
to spend one o f your luck points after you roll the die,
but before the outcome is determined. You choose which
o f the d20s is used for the attack roll, ability check, or
saving throw.
You can also spend one luck point when an attack
roll is made against you. Roll a d20, and then choose
whether the attack uses the attacker’s roll or yours.
If more than one creature spends a luck point to
influence the outcome o f a roll, the points cancel each
other out; no additional dice are rolled.
You regain your expended luck points w hen you
finish a long rest.

Noctaem

Aug 31, 2014 6:28:33

Actually, because the feat specifically calls out that "You choose which of the d20's is used for the attack roll, ability check, or saving throw" you can ignore the disadvantage general rule. This is a good example of specific vs general. Same for the second paragraph about creatures attacking you. You ignore any advantage the creature might have against you since "... then choose whether the attack uses the attacker's roll or yours."

So if you have disadvantage and you roll 2 and 5 on the base d20 rolls and a 20 with your luck point you can absolutely take the 20. Again this is because it specifically states that YOU get to choose which of the d20's you take as the result of the roll. Specific vs General, specific always wins. The general in this case being the advantage / disadvantage rules and the specific being the feat.

Of course I'm sure many will disagree so ETV. We might be able to get a dev to answer this question as well so as to save ourselves 20 pages of yes / no posts.

FarBeyondC

Aug 31, 2014 6:33:49

magix0 wrote:

FarBeyondC

Aug 31, 2014 6:42:12

FarBeyondC wrote:

alienux

Aug 31, 2014 6:49:32

Yunru wrote:

#10

Noctaem

Aug 31, 2014 7:00:15

FarBeyondC wrote:

#11

FarBeyondC

Aug 31, 2014 6:56:28

Noctaem wrote:

#12

magix0

Sep 01, 2014 3:22:48

Thanks guys, this has been helpful