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#1 Danny_Montanny Apr 29, 2015 11:18:06	I can't believe I never noticed this and made the connection. Azbara Jos, a Red Wizard in Hoard of the Dragon Queen, is a 6th-level Evocation Wizard. Everything in his stat block matches up with what a PC would have except for this: HotDQ p. 88 wrote:
#2 AaronOfBarbaria Apr 29, 2015 11:54:24	That's the version of the feature from the playtest before it was intentionally changed to remove the attack roll that misses function - and since it only applies to evocation cantrips, rather than all cantrips, that's actually a step down in that regard.   My other thoughts on the matter are this: no matter what school a character focuses on, there is no reason to view spells outside that school as less of a choice - so potent cantrip is fine, and would be fine, even if there weren't any evocation cantrips for it to work on.
#3 RulesJD Apr 29, 2015 12:48:01	I agree that it should include attack roll cantrips, but with Elemental Evil, that's more or less been accomplished with Create Bonfire and Frostbite.  Slightly lower damage potential (d10 Firebolt vs d8/d6), but close enough and it has enough fun applications that I would use Create Bonfire anyways.
#4 mellored Apr 29, 2015 13:00:49	bonfire does 1/2 on a miss anyways.
#5 Danny_Montanny Apr 29, 2015 14:19:22	As it stands, there are 2 cantrips in the PHB it effects, Acid Splash and Poisin Spray. Which both happen to be Conjuration spells. Not really evoking the Evoker, if you ask me...   Any Evoker is going to be casting Evocations, why does a feature that they get only work on spells that aren't even Evocations?
(Reply to #5) AaronOfBarbaria	Danny_Montanny wrote:
#7 Tempest_Stormwind Apr 29, 2015 15:21:36	As it stands, I think the only cantrip it really works on is Thundeclap (Elemental Evil, it's a miniature Thunderwave without the push - it's evocation and requires a saving throw, and doesn't already deal half damage if the target succeeds.). That's a little specialized for my tastes.   I'd be fine expanding it to any cantrips (for the same justification Aaron gives - lorewise, it's less about the school of the spell than it is about the way evokers learn to channel spell energy.) Then again, I always found evocation to be the least interesting use for magic, and within evocation, the spells I found most interesting were never the MakeStuffGoBoom! spells - Contingency, for instance.
(Reply to #7) AaronOfBarbaria	Tempest_Stormwind wrote:
#9 RulesJD Apr 29, 2015 15:51:04	mellored wrote:
#10 Cantrum May 20, 2015 11:39:28	My opinion, Potent Cantrip is far from viable, because the evoker must take specific cantrips (from a very restricted list) or lose the 6th level ability.
(Reply to #10) AaronOfBarbaria	Cantrum wrote:
#12 Cantrum May 20, 2015 12:27:31	AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
(Reply to #12) AaronOfBarbaria	Cantrum wrote: