Silent Image Fog Cloud

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LordTwig

Jun 12, 2015 9:43:57

A warlock used Silent Image to create a 15' fog cloud over himself. He knows it is an illusion since he cast it. The enemies can't see through it. So I have two questions.

 

When do the enemies get a save? Do they have to take an Action for Investigation? If they run into the fog is that enough to know it is an illusion? The spell says: " Physical interaction with the image reveals it to be an illusion, because things can pass through it." But of course you can pass through it. It's fog.

 

What is the bonus of this situation? I ruled that the enemies can't see him, so they attack with Disadvantage. In addition the warlock can attack with Advantage since the can't be seen when he attacks. 

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Noctaem

Jun 12, 2015 9:59:30

LordTwig wrote:
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FrogReaver

Jun 12, 2015 10:15:11

LordTwig wrote:
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LordTwig

Jun 12, 2015 10:52:31

Spell text from the Basic Rules:

 

Silent Image
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Noctaem

Jun 12, 2015 10:55:27

So any physical interaction means automatic success to realize it's an illusion.  OR you can use an action to do an investigation check vs spell save DC to figure that out.

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Lilika

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ArialBlack

Jun 13, 2015 9:03:07

In 3E I used a similar trick using a silent image of darkness rather than fog. The party knew it was an illusion.

 

It seems that an illusion of darkness/fog is better than actual darkness/fog, because it only hampers the enemy, not you.

 

I must admit that this worries me. What level is silent image? What level is darkness? Fog Cloud? It doesn't seem fair that silent image is better than the actual spell while still being more versatile.

#8

jaelis

Jun 13, 2015 9:24:57

Silent image and fog cloud are both level 1. I think silent image is a better spell in general, but both have their place. Fog cloud covers a much larger area, works at a longer range, lasts longer, and has no possibility to save. Fog cloud also blocks truesight.

 

Darkness is level 2, but has a bigger area, no save, and can be cast on an object and move with it. That last part is quite useful.

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Lilika

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ArialBlack

Jun 13, 2015 9:52:17

I think I noticed that, unlike earlier editions, darkness can no longer target a portable object. I'm AFB right now; is this the case? If so, it makes that spell less versatile.

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jaelis

Jun 13, 2015 9:57:56

"If the point you choose is on an object you are holding or one that isn't being worn or carried, the darkness emanates from the object and moves with it. Completely covering the source of the darkness with an opaque object, such as a bowl or a helm, blocks the darkness."

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ArialBlack

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Undrhil

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ArialBlack

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