Smiting and pact magic...

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#1

Cyber-Dave

Jun 01, 2015 15:05:17		Can one use pact magic spell slots to use the paladins smite?
#2

Mad_Jack

Jun 01, 2015 15:24:25

 

 The decription of Divine Smite specifies paladin spell slots, so it doesn't seem so. Also, pact magic slots are regained after both short and long rests, so they would give you extra uses of smite above and beyond just the number of pact magic slots you have, which seems fairly overpowered.

 

#3

Noctaem

Jun 01, 2015 16:22:04

Yes you can.  Jeremy Crawford lead designer of the edition has stated that the part in divine smite that says it requires paladin spell slots is just fluff, meaning you can use any spell slot you have available to you.  That includes Warlock spell slots that come back every short rest.  

 

It's just one way of getting more divine smites.  It's not particularly overpowered.  You're trading your paladin advancement for more slots to cast spells.

#4

JackOfAllTirades

Jun 01, 2015 20:08:40

Noctaem wrote:
#5

shivafang

Jun 01, 2015 22:29:57

Noctaem wrote:
#6

JackOfAllTirades

Jun 01, 2015 23:42:55

JC tends to correct himself promptly when he makes an obvious mistake in a tweet, like he did in this one:

 

http://community.wizards.com/forum/rules-questions/threads/4220006

 

 

In the tweet regarding Smiting and spell slots, it's been a while, and no correction has been forthcoming. So I'm inclined to think he knew what he said, and let it stand.

(Reply to #5)

FrogReaver

shivafang wrote:
#8

Noctaem

Jun 02, 2015 3:26:13

shivafang wrote:
#9

JackOfAllTirades

Jun 02, 2015 9:36:35

FrogReaver wrote:
#10

ArialBlack

Jun 03, 2015 6:35:07

If you are a MC paladin/warlock, then it is true to say that you are a paladin and it is true to say that you are a warlock.

 

It is also true to say that all of your slots are warlock slots because you are a warlock and they are your slots.

 

It is also true to say that all of your slots are paladin slots because you are a paladin and they are your slots.

 

Ergo, all of your slots are both warlock slots and paladin slots at the same time. This isn't an accident; the rules are deliberately written that slots are just slots, not exlusively tied to one of your classes.

 

Yes, pact magic slots can certainly be used to power Divine Smite.

#11

Noctaem

Jun 03, 2015 6:57:20

ArialBlack wrote:
#12

jaelis

Jun 03, 2015 7:00:17

It would have been better though if they hadn't called them "paladin" spell slots in the Divine Smite text. Since paladin spell slots doesn't acutally mean anything. I can see why people could be confused. But Crawford's answer is the best way to understand it.

#13

Noctaem

Jun 03, 2015 7:16:08

jaelis wrote:
#14

intently

Jun 03, 2015 14:04:40

For balance consideration, assuming two short rests in a day, total daily slots per spell level:

 

  • Paladin 6 / Warlock 6: 4 / 2 / 6
  • Paladin 12: 4 / 3 / 3
  • Paladin 6 / Sorcerer 6: 4 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 1

The Warlock is balanced against full casting classes, so it shouldn't be surprising that taking Warlock levels gives the Paladin more slots than he would have otherwise. Compared to a Sorcerer MC, the Warlock seems mild.

#15

RulesJD

Jun 03, 2015 17:19:38

intently wrote:
#16

arnwolf666

Jun 03, 2015 22:12:21

RAW I would call it legal.  As an old school player I think being a warlock goes against what a Paladin is.

#17

intently

Jun 04, 2015 7:40:09

RulesJD wrote:
#18

Tempest_Stormwind

Jun 04, 2015 9:46:18

arnwolf666 wrote: