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#1 BabyPandaBBQ Jul 03, 2014 15:56:53	When hiding, attacking reveals your position. Can enemies see you, or do they just know where you are but you still treated as invisible (have advantage on attacks, they have disadvantage?)
#2 ProphetSword Jul 03, 2014 17:11:51	BabyPandaBBQ wrote:
#3 BabyPandaBBQ Jul 04, 2014 7:08:12	So can a halfling rogue behind an ally attack then hide behind the ally turn after turn without moving? The enimies would obviously know he is there, but as long as he successfully attempts to hide, they cant see him?
#4 Jay_Ibero_911 Jul 04, 2014 7:27:15	BabyPandaBBQ wrote:
#5 joeyg. Jul 04, 2014 8:31:54	Correct me if I'm wrong but in the combat section of the rules, hide is listed as an action, so unless you get a bonus action from something you can't hide and attack in the same round
#6 ProphetSword Jul 04, 2014 9:02:05	Starting at 2nd level, a Rogue gets a Cunning Action, which is a bonus action that allows them to Dash, Disengage or Hide.  So, they can attack and hide in the same round.
(Reply to #5) Naflem	joeyg. wrote:
#8 Particle_Man Jul 04, 2014 22:08:35	Wow, lightfoot halfling rogues would be *very* good at starting barfights between two bigger folk.
#9 HollowMan42 Jul 04, 2014 22:56:30	Note that in the Hiding sidebar on page 60 of the Basic pdf, it states that in combat creatures are alert, so that if a character in hiding approaches a creature, that creature will see it (and thus, in my opinion, the character will no longer have advantage).   It also indicates, however, that in certain circumstances the DM could consider the creature distracted, thus, the character would continue to have advantage. So if I was DMing, I would allow a character hidden in cover to keep advantage if they (for example) made a ranged attack while doing everything in their power to stay concealed behind the cover. I'd also probably allow the advantage to stay if they distracted the enemy with a thrown rock, then approach to melee attack (although in that case, I'd negate the advantage after the attack was made).   The point I'm trying to make is that Hidden doesn't mean invisible, so I'd definitely negate anyone's hidden status if they simply ran out in plain sight and attacked.   -HM
#10 Chakrum Jul 05, 2014 1:40:12	So could the lightfoot halfling put a fighter between him and the monster, and then from hiding step up and attack with advantage, then step back behind the fighter (possible provoking an attack since he is leaving the targets attack reach of 5 feet?) and attempt to hide again ad infinity?
#11 JRutterbush Jul 05, 2014 4:15:00	Yes, but the guy he keeps attacking will just walk around the fighter on its next turn. The halfling will no longer be "behind" the fighter (at least relative to the enemy), who will now easily be able to see him... and then viciously murder him. It's not actually as useful a tactic as it might sound. Unless you're in a 5ft. wide hallway, of course, in which case "Little guy hides behind big guy, pops out to attack, then hides again." actually should be an effective strategy.
#12 Psikerlord Jul 05, 2014 5:20:58	JRutterbush wrote:
(Reply to #12) JDizzleton	Psikerlord wrote:
#14 JRutterbush Jul 05, 2014 7:40:44	JDizzleton is right, that's exactly why just hiding behind the fighter wouldn't work.
#15 mellored Jul 05, 2014 7:44:45	It can be helpful on occasion, but not as a permanate tactic. Likewise, any rogue could round a corner, hide, poke his head around and attack with advantage.   But even with constant advantage, they still are behind the fighter in damage.
#16 jaelis Jul 05, 2014 8:57:34	Chakrum wrote:
(Reply to #16) E-Tallitnics	jaelis wrote:
(Reply to #17) JDizzleton	E-Tallitnics wrote:
#19 Archon007 Jul 05, 2014 11:53:27	jaelis wrote:
#20 Psikerlord Jul 05, 2014 22:16:49	Ok well the "pop out" from behind the party fighter tactic doesnt seem to work - good! cheesy tactic avoided!
#21 jaelis Jul 06, 2014 10:28:54	Worth noting that if the rogue did make a ranged attack from behind the fighter, his target would benefit from cover.