First of all please forgive me if my english is not good. I'm from Brazil.
I need to say i tried to use the forum search tool and its not working well (or i'm using in a wrong way ¬¬).
I see a lot of people talking about Unarmed Strikes are Weapons only because they figure in the Weapons Table. I must say, i think the unarmed strike is there only to not make a specific table or chapter for it.
Particularly i think too silly to consider somenthing called "UNARMED" as a weapon. In any case i see the monk can considerate the unarmed strike as magic weapons but its only for overcome resistances, not for other aspects. So if you think the Unarmed Strike is a Weapon, you can find one in a treasure because all weapons can be +3, or/and use the Silvered Weapons to cover all your body with silver for 100 GP. ¬¬"
Do we have any official word about this question? What is the solution for this case?
There's nothing offical for +3 unarmed strikes.
That said, no reason you couldn't homebrew some.
Or some kind of prayer beads.
ect...
KanninDragon wrote:
FrogReaver wrote:
KanninDragon wrote:
A weapon is just a thing used or designed to inflict physical damage. Under that definition, a sword, a length of chain, and a fist are all weapons. I don't think there's much call to worry about it. The DM must make a ruling on this at the table.
If a Fist is a Weapon, because why there Are Natural Weapons?
Look at what the Alter Self Spell says in page 211-212:
Natural Weapons: You grow claws, fangs, spines, horns, or a different natural weapon of your choice. Your unarmed strikes deal 1D6 bludgeoning, piercing or slashing damage, as apropriate to the ntural weapon you choose, and you are proficient with unarmed strikes. Finally, the natural weapon is magic and you have +1 bonus to the attack and damage roll you make using it.
DmG says at pag 278:
Some monster use natural weapons, such claws or tail spikes. others wield manufactured weapons.
So, i think its diferent using body parts that act like weapons as natural weapons than grab something made to hit / hurt others. In my opinion the unarmed strike is on weapons table only for space economy in the book.
I'm not with the monster manual here but i think there are more information about natural weapons. A will see later and como to post.
I believe a weapon for the purposes of keywords and the like in the PHB is from the weapons table in the same book. Anything used as a weapon, that is not in the list, falls under the Improvised Weapon rules. The DM can then decide how much damage it does and so on. Unarmed Strike is part of that table so it is considered a weapon.
Frankly I don't understand why this is even a problem or confusing. You can kill someone with your fist just as easily as you can kill someone with a kinfe, rock, stick, etc.. In fact the human fist is such a dangerous weapon that the sport of boxing has mandated the use of them since 1867. When you look at unarmed strike in the weapons table, you have to understand that it encompasses all forms of unarmed strikes. Headbutts, elbows, kness, kicks, punches, etc.. fall within this category.
Then finally it seems like you don't understand why an unarmed strike wouldn't be magical or gain enhancements. That's because unless you use magic to create effects, everything is mundane. Monks get special treatment because of a class feature to reflect their prowess with unarmed strikes. In previous editions you had things like the Spiked Gauntlet in 4e which allowed you to use it to make unarmed strikes with a different die for damage and bonuses like being able to enchant them. That hasn't shown up in 5e yet, but could in the future. In the meantime just ask your DM to see if you can homebrew something similar like Mellored pointed out.
Noctaem wrote:
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iserith wrote:
KanninDragon wrote:
iserith wrote:
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iserith wrote:
mellored wrote:
KanninDragon wrote:
iserith wrote:
KanninDragon wrote:
My rulings.
Unarmed combat is on the weapon table under Simple weapons. This means that anyone proficient with simple weapons is proficient with unarmed fighting.
Unarmed combat is not just fists - it covers smacking the enemy with any part of the body (headbutts, kicks, backhands, clotheslines, elbow strikes, knee strikes, shoulder barges).
For the purposes of two-weapon fighting, unarmed combat is a light weapon, so you can use a bonus attack to strike someone (for 1 damage only, since the bonus attack does not add ability bonus).
If you are wearing medium armour then you get a +1 damage bonus (to model hitting someone with an armoured fist or boot). +2 bonus for heavy armour. +1 bonus for a shield (not cumulative with the armour bonus). Natural weapons (like described in the alter self spell above) have their own damage bonuses.
Magical armour does not add to unarmed strike damage, unless it specifrically says so in the item's description. If you want to add silver to your natural attacks then you'd need to wear metallic armour and silver it. This is possible but will cost considerably more than silvering a sword.
For the various feats and styles, unarmed combat is not considered a weapon.
Feats and styles generally require proficiency in the weapons being used.
Monks' unarmed fighting style is different.
Greenstone.Walker wrote:
KDragon:
You are trying to treat the rules as a computer program, or a rigorous math proof. That is not how it was written.
It was written to be guidelines to help a handful of friends play a game. It was written *knowing* there would be a human being involved to make decisions. They left in some flexibility and ambiguity to allow the DM and players to determine what makes sense.
So an unarmed strike is "kinda sorta' a weapon. It counts as a weapon in some ways, and doesn't count as a weapon in other ways. It is up to the DM and players to decide which is which.
Can you arm yourself with an unarmed strike?
I think a Fiend Warlock who wants to have a Pact Blade fist sounds pretty rad. It'd still only do 1 + Strength damage without something else to modify the base unarmed strike, but still sounds cool even though it's probably your worst option mechanically.
KanninDragon wrote:
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You said if the DM dont plan to restrict the acess to magic itens than give a permanent power in not that all because you assume the fighter will have always his magic equipoment with him/her. Is that?
If is that you said i agree with it too!
I just ask about the rules and not the DM permission because i'm from Brazil and we have a online comunity that talk about the D&D 5th edition. This edition dont have translated versions so some people who say they know english usualy help the others. I have the 3 basic books here, even with my poor english i think i can understand most parts and that i cant i look at dictionary. This is why i keep talking about rules. I just wanna learn the corret as it is in the book and then teach the corret form to the other people. So if you know what is in the book you can start modifying or creating. As my martial arts maste (in real life) say "You must learn first the traditional form, then you can start modifying". ^.^
KanninDragon wrote:
This is how I think of it. Maybe it will help.
There are two types of attacks in the game: Weapon attacks and Spell attacks. Spell attacks are when you cast a spell that makes you roll a d20 to hit the target's AC. Everything else is a Weapon attack. If you punch someone, you didn't cast a spell, so it's a weapon attack. What stats do you use? Look at Unarmed Strike in the Weapons table. You use those stats as if it was a weapon.
However, if something requires "a weapon," but not just a "weapon attack," Unarmed Strike doesn't count. So, for example, a paladin has Divine Smite. That requires a "melee weapon attack." Unarmed Strike is a melee weapon attack, so you can use Divine Smite.
But, that paladin has the Dueling style. If they have a sword in their right hand, and their left hand is empty, they get +2 damage to attacks with the sword. (Dueling requires "no other weapons," and Unarmed Strike isn't a weapon, and you can't "hold" it. Your entire body can use Unarmed Strike, not just your hands.) However, if they have both hands empty, they are not holding any weapons. If they punch someone, they don't get the +2. (Dueling says you have to be "wielding a melee weapon.")
That makes the most sense to me. However, what the DM at your table says is more important than what I think the rulebook says, or what I say. Personally, I would allow Dueling to work with empty fists. Why not? If a player thinks that sounds fun, I have no problem with it. 5e is very friendly to that. Many rules are vague, and Unarmed Strike is one example of that. When you explain the rules to the other DM's in your community, you should also tell them what everyone has been saying: that each DM has to make their own judgment if the rules aren't clear.
Macv12 wrote:
Macv12 wrote:
I do not remember if i already said this but the Martial Arts from monk class says he have mastery of combat styles that uses Unarmed Strikes AND monk Weapons. So, if the unarmed Strike really was a Weapon, the text must be "have mastery of combat styles that use Monk Weapons" since Unarmed Strikes are shown in the Simple Weapons Table too.
Looking at Monster Manual, in page 10-11 , says:
Melee and Ranged Attacks The most common actions that a monster will take in combat are melee and ranged attacks. These can be spell attacks or weapon attacks, where the "weapon" might be a manufactured item or a natural weapon, such as a claw or a tail spike.
IF by the rules Unarmed Strikes must count as weapon for all purposes, every humanoid NPC that dont have the stats for this damage on theyr stat block,
The thing you want to be careful with for unarmed strikes and the rules that interact with you "wielding" or "holding" a weapon. Namely the already mentioned Dueling fighting style, but equally important: Two-Weapon Fighting.
Unarmed strikes, as unanimously agreed upon, aren't just made with your fists. You don't "wield" or "hold" a kick in your hands. You just kick something.
Here's how I'd rule some of your original questions regarding items. Sure, you can't find an "unarmed strike" as treasure, but... it's not like you're running around naked, is it? You alway use your unarmed strikes with bare flesh? A Fighter wearing plate armor can't punch someone because he's wearing steel gauntlets? So you want silvered unarmed strikes? Well, that'll be 100 gold for each of your weapons (boot, glove, circlet, elbow pad, ect.) that you want silvered. Don't use that type of strike, then it's not a "silvered" unarm strike. Your Monk can wear gauntlets and still get every benefit of their class. If they so happen to be +2 Flaming Gauntlets, what's the big deal? If he wants to kick someone, he's not using his weapon, so would just make a regular unarmed strike.
Danny_Montanny wrote:
KanninDragon wrote:
Danny_Montanny wrote:
+3 tattoo of kickass
I classify Unarmed Strike with Grapple and Shove - special melee weapon attacks that are not weapons. Unarmed Strike, uses a standard attack roll and deals damage, which is why it's listed in the weapons table.
jonathonhawke wrote:
If I kick wolfman in the nards whaile wearing boots of Elvenkind, does he take full damage?
Okay... despite the funny picture, I do want to know. I'm wearing Plate Armor of Lightning Resistance (which comes with gauntlets) and I use an unarmed strikes, so is that strike considered magical? I have no idea.
Use common sense.
A fist is a weapon, when it's being used to pummel someone with, it's not a weapon when it's holding a rope that is supporting an ally over a 500ft cliff.
It's perfectly reasonable for an unarmed strike to be a weapon in some cases, i.e. when making a melee attack and for it to not count as a melee weapon for all purposes such as silvering a weapon because it's common sense that you can't get your hand silvered.
IF fists and Unarmed Strikes are the sema as Natural Weapons because why the Drow and the Orc in the Monster Manual dont have it in their stat block? Because monster manual at pages 10-11 says a melee weapon attack with weapon is any natural weapon (fangs, tail spike) or a MANUFACTURED weapon. In other parts of the book its shown weapon is something you wield, its like a tool make for cause damage. That you have from born are Natural Weapons and the basic races dont have tem.
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