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#1 Undrhil Mar 29, 2015 1:47:36	I wonder is this is supported by RAW at all, but if I am carrying around two copies of my spellbook, could I use the second copy as a "scroll case"?  Meaning that if I want to cast a spell without using a slot, I can "rip out a page" or whatever and cast it as if from a scroll.  Does that work by RAW?
#2 AaronOfBarbaria Mar 29, 2015 2:12:25	That's not how things work RAW
#3 Kalani Mar 29, 2015 9:06:42	​As has been stated repeatedly Spellbooks are not magical The only exception to this rule are magical spellbooks. The only one that currently exists in 5E is the Tome of the stilled tongue (DMG p208). A page ripped out of that spellbook cannot be used as a scroll either, as it is still just a page of instructions. Think of them as instruction manuals or recipe books. If you rip the page out of your spellbook, you have 1 page of your spellbook writting on looseleaf paper and can prepare the spell from that looseleaf. Nothing about the page is inherrently magical however.   In fact, according to previous editions, your spellbook can look like anything you want - including a bunch of looseleaf vellum pages.   The only way this would be allowed by RAW Is if a magical spellbook was created that specifically stated you could tear pages from it and use those pages as scrolls. Such an item would most likely allow you to bypass the normal crafting rules for scrolls. Creating such an item sounds like an excellent homebrew item
#4 Tempest_Stormwind Mar 29, 2015 10:49:29	Also worth noting: If you somehow got enough spell scrolls to bind them together into a book, you still couldn't use that as a spellbook. He'd be able to cast from it, but he couldn't prepare spells from it. Each "page" would be a spell scroll  - it'd be incomprehensible to people who couldn't cast it, and it'd vanish if you tried to cast it.   This sets aside how a spell scroll is more than just a few scribbles on a page - without a formula (DMG page 128-129, 141), you can't actually create spell scrolls, while all it takes to create a spellbook is some training as a wizard. Furthermore, since it doesn't cost a spell slot to use a spell scroll, the scroll has to contain enough magical energy to fuel the spell, which a standard spellbook's page won't.
#5 transcendantviewer Mar 29, 2015 16:34:01	I like to imagine spell scrolls as "Spells on Time-Release". Basically, the spell's already been cast, it's just being stored in a piece of parchment. This is entirely different from a spellbook in that, as stated by others above, a spellbook is just an instruction manual for a spell. It tells you how to move your hands to get the magic to do this, what words and syllables get what effect, and how to put it all together to actually manipulate the magic into something resembling a spell. A scroll is already a spell, just trapped in a page. Also, for what it's worth, way back in 3.5 edition, spells consumed a number of pages in a Wizard's Spellbook equal to its spell level. So, a Wish Spell required 9 pages of instructions just to cast. Cantrips still required a page as well. That's exactly why, if your DM was anal about it enough, you could run out of pages in your spellbook before you finished writing in all the instructions for your Time Stop spell. You had to do a lot of bookkeeping to be a Wizard in those days; and I have yet to see any scrolls as long as a whopping 9 pages. Although, as mentioned by others, a magical spellbook with tear-away scrolls for pages would actually be really cool. It's like, every page that would be consumed to write out a 9th level spell could be torn away to cast a 9th level spell. That's a pretty awesome effect, but it'd all be one-use scrolls and the pages wouldn't regenerate, or, if they did, it'd probably be a Relic Item.
#6 Filksinger Apr 04, 2015 14:07:30	If memory serves you were allowed to cast spells directly from a spellbook 'WAY back in 1E AD&D.  It not only destroyed that page of the spellbook, there was a chance that it would destroy the pages next to it (in front and behind). That option was removed in 2E and hasn't been seen since - but someone (or a chain of someones) might have passed on stories of doing this.  But many things were different back then - the spellbook itself was magical, you would lose all memorized spells if knocked unconscious and so on.  I only recall using it a single time (Big Boss fight, got knocked out, didn't have any strong magic items to affect the fight) and I had to find the page in the rules to show the others where it was allowed - because no one else had ever noticed it. It might have been in the DMG, or maybe a supplement like Unearthed Arcana, but it did exist long LONG ago.
(Reply to #6) Llenlleawg	Filksinger wrote:
#8 Tashiro Apr 05, 2015 11:33:39	One thing I've done is store scrolls in a spell book, rather than having them as loose pages.  That's been fine.
#9 akaddk Apr 05, 2015 17:37:42	As a house rule I'd probably allow it with the following cavaets. The page is destroyed upon use like a scroll. It functions at the lowest castable level. Given that it's destroyed, you could no longer prepare it from that book.   I can't be bothered looking up and comparing prices for scrolls/scribing a spell into a book, but that would be a consideration as well. I wouldn't allow someone to get away with a cheaper way of making scrolls. Essentially this would really just be a convenient back-up or way to store scrolls other than in a scroll case.
#10 DarkSphinx Apr 06, 2015 16:43:33	Undrhil wrote: