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#1 AndrewJO Apr 28, 2015 2:19:48	The way this section is written irritates me, and I'm hoping it was just written incorrectly and that this isn't the way these rules were intended to work. "A heavily obscured area-such as darkness, opaque fog, or dense foliage-blocks vision entirely. A creature in a heavily obscured area effectively suffers from the blinded condition." RAW, I cannot see through an area of darkness into an area of light. If I stand in darkness, I'm blind and can't see into the area of light 5ft away. I can't hide in dense foliage and peek out to attack a passing enemy. Are these things where a DM could use common sense and say "yeah, you can see through the darkness, there's a man standing 200ft away with a torch" or is it "rules are rules, you're blind until you enter an area of light"
#2 Noctaem Apr 28, 2015 3:42:56	AndrewJO wrote:
#3 AndrewJO Apr 28, 2015 4:25:07	That's how I was hoping the rules were intended to function.
#4 mrpopstar Apr 28, 2015 5:04:10	Noctaem wrote:
#5 jaelis Apr 28, 2015 6:01:31	I'm sure that is how it is intended, but I also think it was worded badly. It's been that way I think for the past two editions, too bad they couldn't fix it.
#6 Noctaem Apr 28, 2015 6:23:22	To add onto my previous post, I think the issue here is that they tried to combine elements of obscurement and cover in the same rule section.  For example they specifically call out dense folliage.  Dense folliage will of course block vision entirely, you can't see through a dense shrub after all:     If you're standing in front of the shrub, regardless of the level of light in the area, you won't be able to see an opponent on the other side.  This imo, is where they made a mistake with the language within the rules.  This is not about light or darkness, it's about cover.  By merging these things together, they made the language of the rules difficult to understand.  However in the same image you can clearly see some complete darkness on the bottom right.  You can't see into that darkness so you're effectively considered blinded when looking into it.  If you were in the darkness looking out, you would be able to see anything in the light just fine, but if you were to look in the darkness around you, it would be the same as if you were blinded just the same since you can't see into the darkness once again.
#7 lawrencehoy Apr 28, 2015 8:57:39	Noctaem wrote:
#8 Greenstone.Walker Apr 28, 2015 13:57:12	lawrencehoy wrote:
#9 lawrencehoy Apr 29, 2015 23:59:35	Greenstone.Walker wrote: