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#1 QwertyAzerty Feb 12, 2015 4:35:03	I know this is only in playtest but I would like if WotC can think about it and maybe add a single line in the warforge descrition explain:   Does a warforge can become a druid? since druid will not wear metal, and warforge are made of metal. Or is their an option to have a wood/rock version of warforge able to become a druid, or does a warforge unable to become a druid?
#2 Tempest_Stormwind Feb 12, 2015 4:49:41	Warforged, as statted, aren't wearing metal armor. Also, fluffwise, they have as much (if not more) wood and stone in their construction rather than metal. Warforged can, and always have been able to, become druids.
#3 AaronOfBarbaria Feb 12, 2015 5:55:18	Tempest is right.   I mean, you wouldn't say that a human is wearing flesh and bone, so why would you decide to say that a warforged is wearing metal?
#4 mellored Feb 12, 2015 6:01:26	AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
#5 strider13x Feb 12, 2015 7:59:11	Would you descibe the Wildshape like Transformers! Grimlock!!!!
#6 IxidorRS Feb 12, 2015 9:21:13	strider13x wrote:
#7 QwertyAzerty Feb 13, 2015 12:13:10	If you read my post properly  I said warforged are MADE of metal. But If druid won't even wear metal, how do they deal with being made out of metal?   does their animal form made of metal too? so they cannot really hide in other animal (fleshy bear, fleshy bear, fleshy bear, metal bear, I wounder which one is the druid in animal shape?   I would like if WotC can add a line in the warforge description to avoid confusion?
#8 mellored Feb 13, 2015 12:22:47	QwertyAzerty wrote:
#9 Noctaem Feb 13, 2015 12:34:22	QwertyAzerty wrote:
#10 Cutlass Feb 14, 2015 11:45:04	IIRC one of the warforged body feats was a darkwood body variant that could be a druid. So it would fluff wise depend on how the warforged had been ordered from House Cannith by the end user and mechanic wise depend on whether the player selected that feat for their character. Porting that over to 5E should be as simple as asking the DM if he will let you run a warforged druid.
#11 Kalani Feb 14, 2015 12:42:59	Specific trumps general. Is there a specific rule stating that warforged are unable to be druids?  No. Ergo, warforged can be druids, as the general rule does not prevent any race from choosing any class. Even if this was not the case, the specific prohibition is on druids wearing metallic armor.    You do not wear your body, nor does your body count as armor unless specifically stated in your races description. Nowhere in the Warforged racial description does it state that their body counts as armor. Composite Plating specifically does not count as armor. It doesn't even count as natural armor. Armor and Natural Armor provide the character a formula for calculating AC.  Composite plating provides a static +1 bonus to your existing AC. It has more in common with a ring of protection than with armor. In addition, nowhere in the description of composite plating does it specifically state it counts as armor. Ergo, Composite plating is not armor. The only reason this is even a thread is because of legacy reasons..... Would you be happy if I imposed a max level of 9 on your Dwarven Fighter, or elven wizard - because legacy? Yeah, didn't think so..... If we are going to cite "legacy justification", all legacy rules hold equal weight. This means: Racial Level limits Sexist ability score maximums No multiclass humans (dual class is fine, but be prepared to function as a 1st level character). Wizards strict prohibition on using armor or non-wizard weapons. Multiclass Elven Fighter/Wizards being the only exception. Clerics strict prohibition on using slashing or piercing weapons. No dwarf or halfling wizards. Treasure increasing XP. Class based XP tables. 3.X and/or 4E Feats and ABI advancement. etc. Sacred cows have no place in the game or at my table. FYI, 4E warforged had no class restrictions due to their composite plating, granting equal "legacy" justification to allow warforged druids.
#12 Noctaem Feb 14, 2015 12:27:45	Exactly, seems people are stuck in previous editions and are using fluff arguments to impose limitations on content for 5e.  There's nothing to back up these limitations of course so they would squarely fall within houserule territory but frankly this stuff is just stupid imo.
#13 cowleymen Feb 14, 2015 18:55:43	Noctaem wrote:
#14 Kalani Feb 14, 2015 19:09:09	While DMs are free to houserule anything they want in their home games, the default assumption should not be "ask your DM" - it should be Warforged Druids are allowed (unless houseruled otherwise).   Even then, if my DM imposed class restrictions on one race, it is only fair that I should expect them to impose similar restrictions on all other races. Otherwise it smacks of arbitary bias, and harkens back to the Fighters Drool/Wizards Rule school of thinking.....(as such restrictions are usually justified as being for the sake of realism, and therefore typically penalize the non-spellcasting classes).    I believe in fairness and equality across the board. The Default assumption should not be "ask your DM" - it should be that
#15 cowleymen Feb 14, 2015 20:30:17	Kalani wrote:
#16 Kalani Feb 14, 2015 20:52:24	I wasn't talking about RP stigmata, I was talking about race/class restrictions. If a hypothetical DM prohibits warforged from being druids because they are partially made of metal, - they better have similar restrictions for other races....   Such as prohibiting elves from being clerics because they are irreverant, or dwarves from being wizards because their bodies are inherrently resistant to arcane forces.... or halflings from being wizards because they are too hyperactive and unfocused to study... .etc.
#17 Psikerlord Feb 15, 2015 17:03:23	QwertyAzerty wrote:
#18 Psikerlord Feb 15, 2015 17:06:55	Kalani wrote:
(Reply to #18) Macv12	Psikerlord wrote:
#20 Oriet Feb 16, 2015 10:45:46	IxidorRS wrote:
#21 Psikerlord Feb 16, 2015 13:27:54	Macv12 wrote: