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#1 Thank_Dog Aug 28, 2014 3:21:00	I'm thinking of making a crossbow rogue with a level dip in fighter for the +2 to archery and to be proficient in heavy crossbows. Looking at the Crossbow Expert feat, however, I'm wondering what exactly would be the point of taking it. With 19-levels in rogue, I'd have no extra attacks so from my understanding, I wouldn't really be bothered about the loading requirement. It seems designed for a different purpose other than to really be a crossbow "expert", since it doesn't seem to really give much of any benefit to anyone else but the dual-wield squad.
#2 Thoughts_My_Aim Aug 28, 2014 3:59:05	It benefits anybody who gets multiple attacks with a crossbow, which is basically all the fighter-type classes.   It doesn't benefit a Rogue who wants to snipe with it. But then you can make a reasonable case that such a character isn't really a crossbow "expert", they're just a generically good shot.
#3 Yunru Aug 28, 2014 4:16:40	It also offers a second attack as a bonus action if you use hand crossbow(s). Which is useful for a Rogue because it's another chance to hit (and thus possibly apply Sneak Attack).
#4 mellored Aug 28, 2014 5:23:06	The big benifit is giving you an extra full damage attack as a bonus action.  This is almost always more damage then other bonus actions.   Being able to shoot in melee is also rather nice.  Note that this applies ot any ranged attack, including cantrips.  Though the feat's a bit weak to be used just for combat casting.  Especially since there are save cantrips.   Also, you can use handbow and shield (with the bonus attack).  Letting you play a bow & board fighter.  5d6+25 damage, with +2 to hit is pretty solid.   It's slightly less helpful on rogues, they already get a bonus action thing.  But 2 attacks at 1d6+Dex, is better then 1 attack at 1d6+Dex and advantage.  It's also more reliable. Still, it would probably be better to get Dex to 20, then take the feat.
#5 Guest703856308 Aug 28, 2014 5:46:24	mellored wrote:
#6 Noctaem Aug 28, 2014 5:52:43	right so no disadvantage for shooting in melee with RANGED ATTACKS (not just with crossbows), if instead of going for the heavy crossbow you stick to hand crossbow(s) you get an extra attacks (which is ultra valuable for a rogue), allows dual wielding of hand crossbows.  If you do stick with the Heavy Crossbow the feat is less interesting other than no longer having disadvantage really.  But I would recommend going with the hand crossbow method and getting that full extra attack going.  I think it would pay off more than just a small increase in weapon dice.   EDIT:  Mello explained this even better above.
#7 mellored Aug 28, 2014 5:54:23	Guest703856308 wrote:
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