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#1 Daganev Aug 18, 2014 10:18:38	I'm hoping for an in depth and we'll researched discussion here. Sometimes the rules use the word 'after' with no qualifier, as in rolling damage after an attack roll. Other times the word 'immediately' is placed before the word 'after' as in the charger feat. As far as I could count, the word immediately shows up 12 times in the phb. Does it mean anything different than if the word was not there?
#2 Captnq Aug 18, 2014 10:35:22	Daganev wrote:
#3 Daganev Aug 18, 2014 10:52:12	Good start! But what's the difference between "after." And "immediately after".?
#4 Daganev Aug 18, 2014 10:55:11	Good start! But what's the difference between "after." And "immediately after".? Also , if two actions are described as "immediately after" the same trigger, can they both happen? Say two contingency spells with opposite effects on the same contingency. Would only one happen, and the other one got interupted by the actions of the first one? (let's ignore how to decide which happens first for now)
(Reply to #4) Captnq	Daganev wrote:
#6 shivafang Aug 18, 2014 12:54:19	"After" doesn't mean it has to happen right away, but happens sometime later.  Depending on the circumstances there may be something happening between the trigger and the 'after' bit (determined by the DM.)   If two actions are described as "immediately after" the same trigger - the DM determines how they are resolved but will generally occur at the same time.  One doesn't interrupt the other.
#7 Daganev Aug 18, 2014 13:06:44	When do you have something happening between the attack roll and the damage roll?
#8 shivafang Aug 18, 2014 13:14:03	Daganev wrote:
#9 Undrhil Aug 18, 2014 16:40:37	The one notable use of "immediately" I've seen is in the Monk Flurry of Blows power.    Maybe if you tell us what it is you are trying to accomplish (or avoid), then we might be able to answer your questions a bit better.
(Reply to #9) Danny_Montanny	Undrhil wrote:
#11 Captnq Aug 18, 2014 20:23:59	shivafang wrote:
#12 Daganev Aug 19, 2014 7:29:16	Things aren't adding up for me, sorry.   There are two key terms here: After Immediately after.   Damage rolls are "After" the attack roll. Flurry of blows are "Immediately after" an attack, as a bonus action. Relentless avenger is "immediatly after" an opportunity attack, you can move as part of your reaction. War god's blessing is "After the attack roll", but before you know if the attack hit or not. Wild Magic is "immedately after" casting a sorcerer spell, and so is tides of Chaos.   I can't tell if the word "immediately" is meaningless, and just a style preference of whomever edited that paragraph, or if it has some special meaning.   At first I thought "immedately" after came to exclude some action that you might have thought otherwise possible, but the word "after" does as well. It never seems to be applied to some case where you can do something, do another thing unrelated, and then have the "After" be applied.
#13 TheGimper Aug 19, 2014 18:21:37	You have an initiative of 17. Bob has an initiative of 16. The werewolf has an initiative of 12. Janice has an initiative of 11.   Bob’s, the werewolf’s and Janice’s turn all come After your turn.   Bob’s turn comes Immediately After your turn.
(Reply to #12) Danny_Montanny	Daganev wrote:
#15 Captnq Aug 19, 2014 17:56:28	Danny_Montanny wrote:
#16 RCanine Aug 19, 2014 23:23:23	Daganev wrote:
(Reply to #14) Daganev	Danny_Montanny wrote: