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#1 JoCa Oct 22, 2014 14:13:08	How do I calculate my attack bonus in Wildshape forms? Do I:   a) Use a form's attack stats exactly as written b) Use a form's Strength modifier with my own proficiency bonus, if it's higher than the prof. bonus as listed in the CR table c) Some other method? The problem with a) is that it doesn't scale - a level 20 Druid in Bear form is no stronger than a level 2 Druid in Bear form. However, this may be intentional, given that you gain access to stronger forms.   The other oddity is that the Monster Manual doesn't seem to follow its own math for attacks - the Brown Bear, for example, has a +4 Strength modifier and a +2 proficiency bonus (as a CR1 monster) for a total of... +5 to hit?  Basically, if I'm playing a Moon Druid, do my lower level forms become useless/simply less likely to hit as I level? Or is there any way that they can/do scale? Thanks!
#2 Novacat Oct 22, 2014 14:16:30	The correct answer is A. Your stats become identical to the form you've chosen.
(Reply to #2) JoCa	On the upside, I suppose it keeps your options from being overwhelming :P thanks! Novacat wrote:
#4 Strill Oct 22, 2014 19:26:27	Novacat wrote:
#5 paulstrait Oct 22, 2014 20:26:50	Everything has a proficiency bonus, even something with a challenge rating of zero has a +2.  You might think that the attacks in the monster manual are a combination of strength (or some other stat) + the proficiency bonus, and sometimes that is true, but sometimes it isn't true, and there is never an explanation.  So you cannot reverse engineer attacks like that; the just work differently.  You don't lose your skill or saving throw proficiencies, but you aren't proficient in the beasts attacks, so you wouldn't apply your proficiency bonus anyway.
#6 lawrencehoy Oct 22, 2014 21:44:51	The designers may have had some reason to halve the bears' Proficiency bonuses; since the Black Bear has the same issue. Whatever the reason, it is a peculiarity with some creatures.