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#1 Project_Vile Jul 30, 2015 6:50:36	I figured this might need a thread of its own. Can a Sorcerer casting wish to duplicate another spell apply any metamagic to it? On my phone, sorry for poor formatting. Quick copy of spell description for help: -Wish- level 9 - conjuration Casting Time: 1 action Range: Self Components: V Duration: Instantaneous Wish is the mightiest spell a mortal creature can cast. By simply speaking aloud, you can alter the very foundations of reality in accord with your desires. The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower. You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect. Alternatively, you can create one of the following effects of your choice: • You create one object of up to 25,000 gp in value that isn't a magic item. The object can be no more than 300 feet in any dimension, and it appears in an unoccupied space you can see on the ground. • You allow up to twenty creatures that you can see to regain all hit points, and you end all effects on them described in the greater restoration spell. • You grant up to ten creatures that you can see resistance to a damage type you choose. • You grant up to ten creatures you can see immunity to a single spell or other magical effect for 8 hours. For instance, you could make yourself and all your companions immune to a lich's life drain attack. • You undo a single recent event by forcing a reroll of any roll made within the last round (including your last turn). Reality reshapes itself to accommodate the new result. For example, a wish spell could undo an opponent's successful save, a foe's critical hit, or a friend's failed save. You can force the reroll to be made with advantage or disadvantage, and you can choose whether to use the reroll or the original roll. You might be able to achieve something beyond the scope of the above examples. State your wish to the DM as precisely as possible. The DM has great latitude in ruling what occurs in such an instance; the greater the wish, the greater the likelihood that something goes wrong. This spell might simply fail, the effect you desire might only be partly achieved, or you might suffer some unforeseen consequence as a result of how you worded the wish. For example, wishing that a villain were dead might propel you forward in time to a period when that villain is no longer alive, effectively removing you from the game. Similarly, wishing for a legendary magic item or artifact might instantly transport you to the presence of the item's current owner. The stress of casting this spell to produce any effect other than duplicating another spell weakens you. After enduring that stress, each time you cast a spell until you finish a long rest, you take 1d10 necrotic damage per level of that spell. This damage can't be reduced or prevented in any way. In addition, your Strength drops to 3, if it isn't 3 or lower already, for 2d4 days. For each of those days that you spend resting and doing nothing more than light activity, your remaining recovery time decreases by 2 days. Finally, there is a 33 percent chance that you are unable to cast wish ever again if you suffer this stress.
#2 transcendantviewer Jul 30, 2015 10:55:37	I don't know all of the metamagic, but I would allow Stilled and Quickened to work on it. As a side note, I'd also rule that wishing to undo something that directly results in your desire to cast Wish will cause a paradox, since reality rewrites itself so you never had a reason to cast Wish in the first place.
#3 jaelis Jul 30, 2015 11:30:56	I think that if you use wish to duplicate a spell, then you can apply any metamagic that works with the duplicated spell.     transcendantviewer wrote:
#4 Noctaem Jul 30, 2015 11:37:55	I'm not sure you can since you're not the one actually casting the spell.  You're casting wish which in turn creates a spell right?
#5 Mechatarrasque Jul 30, 2015 13:46:24	I think I would allow it, but only if the wish created spell was applicable to the metamagic (no twinning conjure celestial, etc.).
#6 Coredump00 Jul 30, 2015 14:06:27	Wish *is* the spell being cast, it just has a long (long long) list of possible effects.  So you can cast Wish and have a lightning bolt shoot out, or teleport somewhere, etc.     The Wish spell does not let you cast the teleport spell, the Wish spell is what teleports you.   So I see no reason why you can't metamagic the wish....
#7 Project_Vile Jul 30, 2015 14:29:41	Really, the only part that makes me wonder how this supposed to work is this line:    "The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower...  The spell simply takes effect."   "Simply takes effect", makes me unsure, but "duplicate any other spell" leads me to believe I change the spell block of Wish to the spell block of the duplicated spell.   I might be adding more to it than I'm supposed to, but the wording, while kinda vague, really does work perfectly in 99% of cases.           Pre-post Edit:   Empower seems to work with it regardless because it contains the line:  "When you roll damage for a spell," no matter how it came into being. Actual Edit:  Which really irks me, why can't empower work with healing spells?  It's like the designers decided Sorcerers could never gain a healing spell in the future.
#8 Noctaem Jul 30, 2015 14:29:16	He's asking if you can metamagic the spell you create with the wish spell itself.  Like using wish to create firebolt and then using twinned spell on firebolt.
(Reply to #8) Project_Vile	Noctaem wrote:
#10 Cooperjera Jul 30, 2015 18:44:14	I would take the lead from the errata regarding metamagic affecting spells cast from the Wild Magic table.  The errata indicates metamagic does not affect these spells because they're too wild.  I believe they do not affect the spells because of ease of game design.  In addition, it allows the DM to modify the Wild Magic table with less calculations needed.
#11 Orethalion Jul 30, 2015 19:15:22	Noctaem wrote:
(Reply to #11) Project_Vile	Orethalion wrote:
#13 Orethalion Jul 30, 2015 20:37:27	Project_Vile wrote:
(Reply to #8) Coredump00	Noctaem wrote:
#15 Project_Vile Jul 31, 2015 16:51:52	Coredump00 wrote: