Wizard Enchantment level 14 'alter memories' ability

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#1

Rigol

Sep 06, 2015 8:28:27

When a Wizard from the School Of Enchantment reaches level 14 they gain some abilities, including: "when you cast an enchantment spell to charm one or more creatures, you can alter one creature's understanding so that it remains unaware of being charmed'.

 

But I notice the level 1 Charm Person spell specifies "when the spell ends, the creature knows it was charmed by you". Does the level 14 ability cancel-out that problem?

 

Also I see people on the web saying it's cool how the level 14 ability also affects the Friends cantrip. But surely it doesn't, as the Friends spell doesn't 'charm' anyone (despite being an enchantment spell)?

 

Thanks for any help!

#2

jaelis

Sep 06, 2015 9:40:24

Rigol wrote:
#3

AaronOfBarbaria

Sep 06, 2015 9:52:45

Since the rules are written in casual language, it is difficult to say if "charm" was meant as a descriptive of all enchantment effects that make someone's attitude toward you more favorable (in which case this 14th level feature would apply to friends), or if "charm" was meant as a referrence to the charmed condition (in which case it wouldn't apply to friends).

 

It's (likely intentionally) a decision for each DM to make - I personally choose to interpret it as the former, rather than the latter, because friends has very few times is isn't a hindrance to have and use before the harsh side effect is removed (but I don't feel that simply removing the harsh side effect without a class feature acting upon it would result in a cantrip level effect).

#4

vonklaude

Sep 06, 2015 19:41:31

Rigol wrote:
#5

Rigol

Sep 07, 2015 14:53:36

Thanks for all your replies. Confess I'm surprised most of you are OK for the cantrip to benefit even though it lacks the true 'Charmed' effect. But I like how you apply the 'spirit' of the rules. Cool. I won't frenzy if my DM refuses to let my Gnome Enchanter's cantrip benefit from it, but for selfish reasons I hope he will let it