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4e SRD

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#1
Shadowfax7
Mar 05, 2009 19:56:01 I downloaded the 4e SRD, but I am confused as to whether it is the correct one.

This SRD is not like the 3e one where you could directly look up the rules using the link rather than open your books. That one is a good gaming tool.

Is this the only 4e SRD out there ??
#2
Seeker95
Mar 05, 2009 20:16:33 Is this the only 4e SRD out there ??
Yes, it is.

The 4e SRD is what the 3e SRD should have been: A reference document listing / outlining the references a 3rd party publisher can make when creating products for use with 4e D&D. It is not a substitute for the gaming books.
#3
nthdegree256
Mar 07, 2009 13:04:56 The only thing that exists for 4E that resembles the old SRD is the Compendium, which requires a D&DI subscription.
#4
vaalingrade_ashland_02
Mar 07, 2009 13:22:21 The SRD is now a System Reference Document instead of a free set of Core books.
#5
ambulacetus
Mar 07, 2009 14:05:15 The 3E SRD was a great gaming tool, but if it hurt WoTCs business then I can understand them restricting the 4E version. After all, they spent a lot of time (and money) developing the 4E ruleset, if they don't want to give it away for free they certainly have that right!

I would love for a searchable free hyperlinked 4E SRDy - I would also love WoTC to ship me free hardcover copies of every book included new versions when errata comes out. However, WoTC wanting to make sure customers need to buy their books and competitors can't directly use their ruleset is an understandable business choice that I won't hold against them.
#6
CWestHawk
Mar 12, 2009 0:30:44 Not exactly on-topic with the OP, but on-topic to the title of the thread....

Are the deva, goliath, shifters, avengers, invokers, shamans, and wardens really and deliberately being excluded from the 4E SRD? Or are they simply not added yet due to the SRD being released before the PHB2?
#7
jlaurhughes_dup
Mar 12, 2009 0:47:35
Not exactly on-topic with the OP, but on-topic to the title of the thread....

Are the deva, goliath, shifters, avengers, invokers, shamans, and wardens really and deliberately being excluded from the 4E SRD? Or are they simply not added yet due to the SRD being released before the PHB2?

I will answer your first question with three words. "Intellectual Property Rights."

There is already the inclusion of PHB2 materials: Sorcerer, Bard, Barbarian, and Druid, are all included classes, there are additional feats from the PHB2 that were not included with the first version. The rest, once more is due to the three mentioned races being covered under IP rights.
#8
CWestHawk
Mar 12, 2009 1:12:31
I will answer your first question with three words. "Intellectual Property Rights."

There is already the inclusion of PHB2 materials: Sorcerer, Bard, Barbarian, and Druid, are all included classes, there are additional feats from the PHB2 that were not included with the first version. The rest, once more is due to the three mentioned races being covered under IP rights.

Well, I figured if the answer to my question was "Yes, they were deliberately left out of the 4E SRD," it would be because WotC considered them proprietary intellectual property. I may be simple, but even my simplicity knows it limits.

I was actually hoping a WotC staffer would come on and say either "Yes, they were deliberately left out of the 4E SRD" or "No, they were not deliberately left out, they have simply not been added in yet."
#9
Jrole
Dec 21, 2009 15:17:46

Have we ever received any sort of official word on this? I too would be curious about assorted content, such as PHB 2 races that weren't in 3.x

With the nature of the GSL, it seems to me that it's beneficial for WotC to include the new classes, races, etc. since they all turn into more options for WotC product to be referenced in 3PP. It's not like someone can pull a d20 SRD maneuver and completely retool the Warden or the deva and so on.
#10
Cailte
Jan 03, 2010 5:29:27 Yes, the exclusion of those races from even being able to be mentioned is a problem for supporting PHB2 as a sourcebook, it seems a little odd.

Feb 2009 was a long time before the PHB2 released, not to mention all the other subsequent products.

Considering the SRD is essentially a list of things you can, as a 3PP, say "Go look in this book to get the rules" it seems odd to exclude significant content not defined explicitly as IP (cf 5.7 Imagery).
#11
Jrole
Jan 08, 2010 11:18:19 Completely agree.

Is there anyone in WotC up for addressing this concern?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Shadowfax7 Mar 05, 2009 19:56:01	I downloaded the 4e SRD, but I am confused as to whether it is the correct one. This SRD is not like the 3e one where you could directly look up the rules using the link rather than open your books. That one is a good gaming tool. Is this the only 4e SRD out there ??
#2 Seeker95 Mar 05, 2009 20:16:33	Is this the only 4e SRD out there ?? Yes, it is. The 4e SRD is what the 3e SRD should have been: A reference document listing / outlining the references a 3rd party publisher can make when creating products for use with 4e D&D. It is not a substitute for the gaming books.
#3 nthdegree256 Mar 07, 2009 13:04:56	The only thing that exists for 4E that resembles the old SRD is the Compendium, which requires a D&DI subscription.
#4 vaalingrade_ashland_02 Mar 07, 2009 13:22:21	The SRD is now a System Reference Document instead of a free set of Core books.
#5 ambulacetus Mar 07, 2009 14:05:15	The 3E SRD was a great gaming tool, but if it hurt WoTCs business then I can understand them restricting the 4E version. After all, they spent a lot of time (and money) developing the 4E ruleset, if they don't want to give it away for free they certainly have that right! I would love for a searchable free hyperlinked 4E SRDy - I would also love WoTC to ship me free hardcover copies of every book included new versions when errata comes out. However, WoTC wanting to make sure customers need to buy their books and competitors can't directly use their ruleset is an understandable business choice that I won't hold against them.
#6 CWestHawk Mar 12, 2009 0:30:44	Not exactly on-topic with the OP, but on-topic to the title of the thread.... Are the deva, goliath, shifters, avengers, invokers, shamans, and wardens really and deliberately being excluded from the 4E SRD? Or are they simply not added yet due to the SRD being released before the PHB2?
#7 jlaurhughes_dup Mar 12, 2009 0:47:35	Not exactly on-topic with the OP, but on-topic to the title of the thread.... Are the deva, goliath, shifters, avengers, invokers, shamans, and wardens really and deliberately being excluded from the 4E SRD? Or are they simply not added yet due to the SRD being released before the PHB2? I will answer your first question with three words. "Intellectual Property Rights." There is already the inclusion of PHB2 materials: Sorcerer, Bard, Barbarian, and Druid, are all included classes, there are additional feats from the PHB2 that were not included with the first version. The rest, once more is due to the three mentioned races being covered under IP rights.
#8 CWestHawk Mar 12, 2009 1:12:31	I will answer your first question with three words. "Intellectual Property Rights." There is already the inclusion of PHB2 materials: Sorcerer, Bard, Barbarian, and Druid, are all included classes, there are additional feats from the PHB2 that were not included with the first version. The rest, once more is due to the three mentioned races being covered under IP rights. Well, I figured if the answer to my question was "Yes, they were deliberately left out of the 4E SRD," it would be because WotC considered them proprietary intellectual property. I may be simple, but even my simplicity knows it limits. I was actually hoping a WotC staffer would come on and say either "Yes, they were deliberately left out of the 4E SRD" or "No, they were not deliberately left out, they have simply not been added in yet."
#9 Jrole Dec 21, 2009 15:17:46	Have we ever received any sort of official word on this? I too would be curious about assorted content, such as PHB 2 races that weren't in 3.x With the nature of the GSL, it seems to me that it's beneficial for WotC to include the new classes, races, etc. since they all turn into more options for WotC product to be referenced in 3PP. It's not like someone can pull a d20 SRD maneuver and completely retool the Warden or the deva and so on.
#10 Cailte Jan 03, 2010 5:29:27	Yes, the exclusion of those races from even being able to be mentioned is a problem for supporting PHB2 as a sourcebook, it seems a little odd. Feb 2009 was a long time before the PHB2 released, not to mention all the other subsequent products. Considering the SRD is essentially a list of things you can, as a 3PP, say "Go look in this book to get the rules" it seems odd to exclude significant content not defined explicitly as IP (cf 5.7 Imagery).
#11 Jrole Jan 08, 2010 11:18:19	Completely agree. Is there anyone in WotC up for addressing this concern?