Releasing 4e Material without GSL

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#1

uhf

Jan 26, 2011 15:34:18
Just a thought folks, but if you don't use any material from WOTC, you don't have to use the GSL.

All Kobold Quarterly adventures etc. are released without the GSL.  This means that they have stat up everything from scratch, and are not beholden to the GSL.  This applies to their campaign settings as well.
#2

lokiare

Jan 26, 2011 23:31:43
Just a thought folks, but if you don't use any material from WOTC, you don't have to use the GSL.

All Kobold Quarterly adventures etc. are released without the GSL.  This means that they have stat up everything from scratch, and are not beholden to the GSL.  This applies to their campaign settings as well.



How can you not reference anything from the PHB? If you mention difficult terrain, feats, powers, or anything they have listed in their GSL in reference to D&D, then you are either messing with their IP or putting yourself under the GSL...
#3

uhf

Jan 27, 2011 10:34:46
Just a thought folks, but if you don't use any material from WOTC, you don't have to use the GSL.

All Kobold Quarterly adventures etc. are released without the GSL.  This means that they have stat up everything from scratch, and are not beholden to the GSL.  This applies to their campaign settings as well.



How can you not reference anything from the PHB? If you mention difficult terrain, feats, powers, or anything they have listed in their GSL in reference to D&D, then you are either messing with their IP or putting yourself under the GSL...


BY LAW YOU CAN REFERENCE ANYTHING YOU LIKE.  ITS FREE!  You can mention feats, powers, and everything listed in the GSL.  Its free.  You can't cut and paste the content.  If you read the GSL, that is what they are letting you do.  Cut and paste monster stat blocks.  Cut and paste bits (but not all) of power descriptions, I'm not sure about feats.

Have you ever read a module?  Strength check 20.. is not any sort of violation, its a reference.  If you use a monster, you cannot cut and paste it from a WOTC book\adventure.   This is exactly what KQ does.  All their monsters are made from scratch.  Therefore GSL does not apply.

If you produce characters for an adventure, you'll have some trouble.  The usual solution is to just rename everything, or use entirely new feats and powers.
#4

lokiare

Jan 27, 2011 22:40:03
Just a thought folks, but if you don't use any material from WOTC, you don't have to use the GSL.

All Kobold Quarterly adventures etc. are released without the GSL.  This means that they have stat up everything from scratch, and are not beholden to the GSL.  This applies to their campaign settings as well.



How can you not reference anything from the PHB? If you mention difficult terrain, feats, powers, or anything they have listed in their GSL in reference to D&D, then you are either messing with their IP or putting yourself under the GSL...


BY LAW YOU CAN REFERENCE ANYTHING YOU LIKE.  ITS FREE!  You can mention feats, powers, and everything listed in the GSL.  Its free.  You can't cut and paste the content.  If you read the GSL, that is what they are letting you do.  Cut and paste monster stat blocks.  Cut and paste bits (but not all) of power descriptions, I'm not sure about feats.

Have you ever read a module?  Strength check 20.. is not any sort of violation, its a reference.  If you use a monster, you cannot cut and paste it from a WOTC book\adventure.   This is exactly what KQ does.  All their monsters are made from scratch.  Therefore GSL does not apply.

If you produce characters for an adventure, you'll have some trouble.  The usual solution is to just rename everything, or use entirely new feats and powers.



If you reference any of the hundreds of things WotC has copyrighted in reference to D&D, then you ARE violating WotC IP.

BTW with the GSL you can't copy and paste anything. They only allow you to use their formatting and reference the books and say your product is compatible with D&D4E...
#5

ManosFate

Jan 28, 2011 2:43:22
I believe the biggest benefit of the GSL is the the use of the official compatibility logo. I have no Real Data or customer/marketing surveys, but I would suspect that Joe Casual Buyer may be more inclined to buy a module with the compatibility logo than an adventure that said, "An Adventure Module for use with a Popular Role Playing System". Just a hunch.

I recently read the wikipedia article on those old Arduin books that came out back in the 1E AD&D day. Apparently the publisher of those books got the cease&desist letter as there were references to the D&D brand in those books. The publisher then just re-released with the D&D words blacked out.  I'm not a lawyer and I have no idea where general game mechanics stop and intellectual property begins but I would presume use of trademarks would get you into hot water, but just saying things like "make an Insight check" would be a bit of a stretch.

FWIW, I've seen other third party publishers create "Compatible with 4ED D&D" modules, with reference to the old OGL license in their product, but not use the GSL logo. They used stat blocks and iconography that are similar, but exactly the same, as those found in the SRD. I haven't read anything about them having too much problem with that method.

For me, I'm half-way through playtesting my first module written for publishing and I'm going to release as GSL soon and hope for the best
#6

uhf

Jan 28, 2011 10:22:54
If you reference any of the hundreds of things WotC has copyrighted in reference to D&D, then you ARE violating WotC IP.

BTW with the GSL you can't copy and paste anything. They only allow you to use their formatting and reference the books and say your product is compatible with D&D4E...


No..  You aren't violating anything.  GSL says you can mention specific content, but not antire sections of said content.

Anyways, GSL wins you a logo.  GSL lets to use specific monster blocks, etc.

#7

lokiare

Jan 28, 2011 16:10:38
If you reference any of the hundreds of things WotC has copyrighted in reference to D&D, then you ARE violating WotC IP.

BTW with the GSL you can't copy and paste anything. They only allow you to use their formatting and reference the books and say your product is compatible with D&D4E...


No..  You aren't violating anything.  GSL says you can mention specific content, but not antire sections of said content.

Anyways, GSL wins you a logo.  GSL lets to use specific monster blocks, etc.




You can't use the monster blocks. You can use their formatting. Any time you reference an existing monster you must put "see MM1" or similar in it. You can get around lots of the muck by altering a monster and calling it a "Dark Spire" goblin. that gets a +1 to attack for 1 minute when the moon is at its zenith during a solar eclipse. If you add that to every power of every monster then it is legal...
#8

bone_naga

Jan 28, 2011 17:17:26
Lokiare is right, you can't use stat blocks from the MMs even with the GSL. However, UHF is correct in that you can reference the rules and make 4e-compatible products without the GSL. In fact, other than the logo it would appear that you actually gain very little by using the GSL.