Then the dice gods smile upon me with an oppurtunity, a n00b GM who doesn't know source matireal at all...:D
And I'm a convincing liar. (We've established in rl I'm a gestalt rogue//bard XP)
I've made a few epic feats "normal" feats so I could aquire them alot sooner, I'm playing a fighter//psychic warrior...
DEVESTATING CRITICAL [Fighter bonus feat/General]
Prerequisites
Str 25, Cleave, Great Cleave, Improved Critical (chosen weapon), Overwhelming Critical (chosen weapon), Power Attack, Weapon Focus (chosen weapon).
Benefit
Effect:
Whenever the character scores a critical hit with the chosen weapon, the target must make a Fortutude save (DC 10 + 1/2 character level + character’s Strength modifier) or die instantly. (Creatures immune to critical hits can’t be affected by this feat.)
Special
A character can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time a character takes the feat, it applies to a different type of weapon.
Even if I fail to aquire the patience and calculations to pull that off (or the GM catches wind i'm trying to powergame grotestly) I can wait till 10th level. I'll soften the blow and emphasize things immune to criticals are exempt from it. (Undead, ooze, constructs...)
GREAT STRENGTH: [General/Fighter bonus feat]
Benefit:
The character’s Strength increases by 1 point.
Special
A character can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects stack.
I could aquire this feat at sixth level theoreticaly by using animal affinity to buff myself up to 25 strength and if the power is still "on" when I reach sixth level BAM! I cheated the system. (Chaotic to the core baby...)
Even if I fail to calculate the right moment, or the GM involves himself and says "hey, this is too much like a videogame..." I can wait till tenth level.
If done at sixth level yes, I'd have an unfair advantage against any living thing.
If taken at tenth level, I may have an advantage, but a wizard could just control person me and it'd be like one of those old Superman comics where Supes is under mind control. Or hell, just cloudkill me. My con-score is only 10. (I needed the high stats for dex, str, and wis)
Weapon Focus: Swords
You heard me, not long sword, not bastard sword, swords, and all I had to do was make an 8-bit Theatre reference.
I thought powergamer implied
A) You work within the system. (And I'm chaotic alignment man. Systems are for chumps.)
B) You do it to "win", I don't do it to win, I do it so other players don't try to be better then me. Look at them, with all their fancy books and repitore of D&D knowledge... I'm a poor working man just trying to getby!!!
:P So really I think there needs to be a new achretype for guys like me. Cause If I was a powergamer, I'd hate the random d20 and would stress for a 2d10 bellcurve variant like in unearthed arcana. And I don't, because I like chaotic results!:D
Ironicaly my character's alignment is lawful evil, though I'm sure that'll quickly change to chaotic evil. The GM might not be adept in how the mechanics work and where they come from, but he's not completely retarded.
"Just cause you work for the government doesn't make you lawful..."
My only fear is the GM is keeping a close-eye out for powergaming. He's banned some serious buisness spells like polymorph. But I bet with my high rl charisma score I can convince him that the reason these feats were invented was to give non-casters a fair leverage against casters... And would pointout the logical fallacies like control person and cloudkill as I did with you.
It's the Superman theory. Superman is beloved and not feared at all like the X-Men or Spiderman. Why? Cause everybody and their mother knows his weaknesses...
Universe man, universe man
Size of the entire universe man
Usually kind to smaller man
Universe man
Hes got a watch with a minute hand,
Millenium hand and an eon hand
When they meet its a happy land
Powerful man, universe man...
Fortunately, your strategy doesn't look especially effective, so it probably won't matter very much.
I think that this is being grossly unfair to your DM (let alone the other players); you know you'd not get away with this with an experienced DM, so you're counting on the DM's inexperience to let you munchkin (in the poorest sense of the word)? How is that condusive to fair play?
Lying to the DM (or at best deliberately misleading them) and cheating the system is an asshat thing to do for any reason. Your group would be quite within their rights to boot you out if they catch you doing this; best case scenario is they think you're being a jerk if they find out. (You'll be lucky if you don't get the Folding Chair of Salvation, to be honest.) Are you not playing with your friends? If you're doing this because you're playing with people you don't like, I would suggest doing something more constructive like finding a group you do get on with.
Not only that, but you do realise you might put the new DM off ever DMing again, right?
Okay, I've done some things that I'm not proud of, even in this line. I guess the worst was convincing a guy that it would NOT be overpowering for me to play a ghaele eladrin with no LA or racial HD in a level 4 game. That said, it made me feel like crap afterward and I haven't done that since. Not only is it unfun to play, it's unfun for everyone else involved.
Your ideas are bad news. They lie in the area of Dragonwrought cheese, which is a far more acceptable way to do this than what you're actually doing, even if that's a crappy thing to spring on a new DM as well.
This is not powergaming. This is cheating. Sir, those who feel they have to cheat at D&D are the real losers.
But in all seriousness, I'm an advocate that DMs can houserule whatever they feel like to make a more "fun" game for their players but your changes goes in the exact opposite direction. What melee monster with the pre-reqs, feats, and/or class levels would choose not to take Devastating Critical? Seriously, monsters will have a really easy time meeting the Str pre-req on their own. The feat pre-req is a bit tough but a few fighter levels could easily fill that up.
Now you got CR 10+ melee bad guys with high threat range weapons going around provoking Fort Saves vs. death 20%-30% of the time.
Not a fun game that players are about to get their asses handed to them for the same trick you use against them.
You do know your plans for Devastating Critical fails considering Overwhelming Critical is an epic feat and you haven't mentioned anything about that being a "regular" feat. :P
But in all seriousness, I'm an advocate that DMs can houserule whatever they feel like to make a more "fun" game for their players but your changes goes in the exact opposite direction. What melee monster with the pre-reqs, feats, and/or class levels would choose not to take Devastating Critical? Seriously, monsters will have a really easy time meeting the Str pre-req on their own. The feat pre-req is a bit tough but a few fighter levels could easily fill that up.
Now you got CR 10+ melee bad guys with high threat range weapons going around provoking Fort Saves vs. death 20%-30% of the time.
Not a fun game that players are about to get their asses handed to them for the same trick you use against them.
That's possible, but I don't think the GM would think of giving a monster the feats unless it was for the big bad villain.
Not that it's much of my problem anyway... Well... I guess it is sense we don't really have a healer... But I'll be self-sufficient.:D
Just to let you know, in my eyes, you seem to have a RL Cha score near that of a black pudding's. Slime lets itself be known.
I'm hoping the OP is a troll. Who would think to tell us about how he's cheating and even bother asking us if hes powergaming.
Well I wasn't sure what the definition of a powergamer was.
And more importantly, if I was, maybe some useful tips on how to get away with it more legitamately or more discreetly. ;)
I hear Phrenic Dire Wolves with Improved Initiative manifesting a souped up Mind Thrust in the opening round do wonders to low level problematic types.
For mid and high levels, take advantage of the fact advancing certain creatures by HD produces extremely good results. For example:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/assassinVine.htm
4 Huge Assassin Vines = CR 8 encounter. :D
Or undead monsters (dracolich anyone? -you know, if you are ready for epic feats, that surely means that you are also ready for epic monsters
).Or slimes (any of them and many of them).
Or a band of 20th lvl fighters each with a heavy fortification armor.
The matter is that no player can really cheat.
To me a powergamer is one who works clearly within the RAW and also the RAI. They may build powerful character but they don't look for sometimes obscure loop-holes (I'm looking at Precocious Apprentice among others.) to rule-lawyer into broken builds.
It seem to me you've passed beyond munchkin, who abuses the rules, to cheater, who doesn't follow the rules.
One of the newer players who isn't a personal friend of mine (Like James, Amaya, or Patrick) confronted me alone with it. He wasn't rude about it, he just stated I was breaking the rules, but he wouldn't tell the GM cause he didn't want the GM to feel stupid and be embaressed on his first-time. And I gave him my infamous catchphrase.
Screw the rules, I have a girlfriend!
(Note: This line was invented as to poke a stab at all gamers that we are lonely losers.. Infact, everyone I've stated it to is bewilderd with confusion untill I explain it to them, then they get ****** and walk away. And even my friends are like "he gave you the girlfriend line didn't he? We've been down that road...") XD
We all have one-liners. This isn't so much I'm not with friends or i'm hurting my friends, we sortof almagated two D&D groups to expand and have more diversity.
To me a powergamer is one who works clearly within the RAW and also the RAI. They may build powerful character but they don't look for sometimes obscure loop-holes (I'm looking at Precocious Apprentice among others.) to rule-lawyer into broken builds.
So a rules lawyer is a verb not a noun? I would figure it'd be the other way around.
I'm not really in the loop to D&D lingo, i'm more of a casual gamer. I'd much rather be playing a videogame, hacking the map in halo, and when the other players whine on the mic.
Screw the rules, I have a girlfriend!
Then kill them. Granteed I suck with rocket launchers, snipers, and am too impatient to camp. RPGs expand my amusement because it's less repetitive and predictable then videogames.
We all have one-liners.
There are two kinds of people with one-liners: people who say very witty things, and people who talk way to bloody much. You are almost certainly not the former. Also, your "infamous catchphrase" sucks. (Some people say there is a third category of people with one-liners: Those who spend a lot of time actually coming up with one just to say they have their own catchphrase.)
So a rules lawyer is a verb not a noun?
It's both. A rules-lawyer is someone who is so caught up in the rules that he/she does not care about practicality, believability, or the better aspects of storytelling, only what is possible within the rules. To rules-lawyer is to find a specific set of rules that back up what you're trying to do by saying "The rules say I can!"
I'd much rather be playing a videogame, hacking the map in halo, and when the other players whine on the mic.
So you're admitting that you'd rather be cheating at a video-game than cheating at a pen-and-paper RPG? And you came here for ...?
Douche? Yes, I'd have to say so.
And you wonder if that makes you a powergamer.
No sir, that does not make you a powergamer. It makes you a filthy cheater.
Anyone who needs to cheat in order to make an overpowered character is a disgrace to legitamate powergamers like myself everywhere.
I could probably make a more ungodly-overpowered character than yours at fifth level. With only the PH. And actually following the rules.
...
Semi-edit: reading your post for a second time gives me an overwhelming urge to kick you. Actually, reading anything you've posted so far gives me an overwhelming urge to kick you.
Don't you get it? We don't like your type. And by "your type", we mean "unintelligent, hoplessly anti-social freaks that need to cheat in order to be a munchkin."
...
Pathetic excuse for a piece of ****...
One of the newer players who isn't a personal friend of mine (Like James, Amaya, or Patrick) confronted me alone with it. He wasn't rude about it, he just stated I was breaking the rules, but he wouldn't tell the GM cause he didn't want the GM to feel stupid and be embaressed on his first-time. And I gave him my infamous catchphrase.
Screw the rules, I have a girlfriend!
(Note: This line was invented as to poke a stab at all gamers that we are lonely losers.. Infact, everyone I've stated it to is bewilderd with confusion untill I explain it to them, then they get ****** and walk away. And even my friends are like "he gave you the girlfriend line didn't he? We've been down that road...") XD
With your attitude, I suspect that (a) You are lying about having a girlfriend and (b) if even if you aren't, you have as long as it takes her to get to know you before she walks.
We all have one-liners. This isn't so much I'm not with friends or i'm hurting my friends, we sortof almagated two D&D groups to expand and have more diversity.
I'm frankly surprised you have friends at all. I have not known many people who were proud of acting like jerks, and all of them were very lonely people. In fact the saddest thing is that some of them were blissfully unaware of how much their 'friends' laughed at them behind their backs.
I'm not really in the loop to D&D lingo, i'm more of a casual gamer. I'd much rather be playing a videogame, hacking the map in halo, and when the other players whine on the mic.
Ahhh ... so you're one of those players that make up for their inadequacies in life by cheating at games. I see ... you've made it as far as understanding that cheating in real life doesn't get you anywhere, but are so desperate to get ahead in something you cheat at games. That explains a lot. Let me give you a word or two of advice: Spend as much time learning to actually play the games you cheat at as you do cheating at them, and you may become half decent player instead of a loser whose only sad pleasure in life is ruining the games of other people.
Then kill them. Granteed I suck with rocket launchers, snipers, and am too impatient to camp. RPGs expand my amusement because it's less repetitive and predictable then videogames.
Oh, I can make some predictions for all RPGs you play at:
1) You will spoil the game for the other players.
2) You will get thrown out of the group.
3) You couldn't play a straight game to save your life.
4) I can assure you that gaining your jollies by ******* off other people will eventually result in a very painful and humiliating experience for you, one that may end up in your being hospitalized. I strongly recommend that you stop doing this and get a life. You are as sadly lacking in one as any solitary gamer that you mock with your "catchphrase" ...
"GM! Jim's trying to cheeeeat! He's taking an [epic] feat early!"
GM Response: Hey, if he can get his strength to 25 he deserves the feat. Isn't epic just another way of saying really hard to get?
Jim: More or less. *Waited for the player to make the GM look like a fool*
I could three ways to get the strength I need lol!
Giant belt
Animal Affinity
Other epic feats taken early
Fun stuff lawl!
lol, alot of anger I'm sensing. Well, if anyone is pro-powergaming. Any good sites? Tips maybe?
The rest of you don't have to like me, I'm not in your game, so it's really not your problem. And you can't complain too much about how I treat my aquitances because
There's only two types of players. The badass and the dead weight. And I don't want to be dead weight.
And i'm too lazy to actually learn the rules lol!
And ftr my girlfriend knows me better then anyone, I've done some fairly jerk things to her i'm not proud of. Not cause I feel bad for doing it, but cause it was like kicking a puppy. I'm seriously considering writing a self-help guide on "how to be lawful evil: a guide to confidence and being better then the people around you".
"Hey, my DM's a worthless jerk who'll roll over if I present my case right! YAY!"
Alright, your point is?
lol, alot of anger I'm sensing. Well, if anyone is pro-powergaming. Any good sites? Tips maybe?
First, it's not "alot," it's "a lot." Second, I don't think anyone here is against power-gaming, they just have a sense of fair play (extremely Lawful behavior, actually - you are either Chaotic or Neutral) and a good idea of how the rules work. Furthermore, a Lawful Evil person would know how to power-game and wouldn't need to cheat.
The rest of you don't have to like me, I'm not in your game, so it's really not your problem. And you can't complain too much about how I treat my aquitances because
You come here, then tell us it's not our problem and we can't complain? Okay, so you're here to brag and troll. Gotcha.
There's only two types of players. The badass and the dead weight.
Actually, it's "Those who want to play and those who don't." You're in the latter category.
And I don't want to be dead weight.
And i'm too lazy to actually learn the rules lol!
Do you realize those two statements are contradictory? Anyone who is too lazy to learn the rules and therefor cheats *is* dead weight.
Evidence "I like to mistreat my girlfriend, it's as much fun as kicking a puppy." (paraphrased).
Don't go there.
If you're too lazy to learn the rules, you will never be a powergamer.
Yeah, I'm not sure how you can be a powergamer if you are pulling stuff out of a magic hat. Now you are just a failgamer.
Powergamer- One who builds and advances a character for the main purpose of playing a powerful character (within the ruleset).
Munchkin- (This is debateable) This is the type of person who will do minor things outside the rules (like lying about a dice roll, or use hypothetical stuff. (Like the HIVE)
Cheater- you.
Dude, I think you should take some time, and reflect on your actions. Do you actually believe that cheating makes you 13373R? If you have to cheat to feel good enough, powerful enough, leet enough, whatever, don't you think you have some issues to work out?
... either way he's a very sad individual who has to get his jollies this way.
You sir, are a Chaotic Stupid Munchkin.
*greater multishot volley with hunter's mercy, flaming burst, and acidic burst, among many other things*
In before the lock. :D
Hmm, I wonder if giving him a link to Goatse would do the trick?
I've linked to lots worse.
Ever heard of children in the sandbox?
Simply put: It was a huge dissapointment LOL!:P
"I've been swindled! There's no children! There's not even a sandbox!"
Hey if you to know the GM was ok with it, the little twurp's scheme failed. It's like elementry school all over again...
"GM! Jim's trying to cheeeeat! He's taking an [epic] feat early!"
GM Response: Hey, if he can get his strength to 25 he deserves the feat. Isn't epic just another way of saying really hard to get?
Jim: More or less. *Waited for the player to make the GM look like a fool*
I could three ways to get the strength I need lol!
Giant belt
Animal Affinity
Other epic feats taken early
Fun stuff lawl!
lol, alot of anger I'm sensing. Well, if anyone is pro-powergaming. Any good sites? Tips maybe?
The rest of you don't have to like me, I'm not in your game, so it's really not your problem. And you can't complain too much about how I treat my aquitances because
There's only two types of players. The badass and the dead weight. And I don't want to be dead weight.
And i'm too lazy to actually learn the rules lol!
And ftr my girlfriend knows me better then anyone, I've done some fairly jerk things to her i'm not proud of. Not cause I feel bad for doing it, but cause it was like kicking a puppy. I'm seriously considering writing a self-help guide on "how to be lawful evil: a guide to confidence and being better then the people around you".
1) stay IT, please. RPG. Focus... Good.
2) don't complain if you get criticism: you are posting on a forum, not on a fan club of yours.
3) Who cares? This isn't "speak about your girlfriend today", you know.
1) stay IT, please. RPG. Focus... Good.
2) don't complain if you get criticism: you are posting on a forum, not on a fan club of yours.
3) Who cares? This isn't "speak about your girlfriend today", you know.
I vote we start a JimProfit Fan Club. I'm President. Who wants to be Vice-President?
In answer to your other question, will anyone help you, the people will generally not help cheaters, and they generally are kicked from the game.
Also, I prepared Explosive Runes this morning.
Hey, it works.
You're not a powergamer - you're a hack, and I for one am glad I'm not being subjected to your crap at a table.
Unfortunately I really don't think you care at all, except about yourself which also makes for a bad gaming experience, you're just here for attention.
I hope your plan fails in the worst way, I really do.
Feats with a stat prerequisite can only be taken if you have that stat at the required level permanently - using rolled stat, level-based increases and inherent bonuses only. You can't use stat-increasing spells with permanency cast on them for this purpose, you can't use magic items and you certainly can't use spells with limited duration.
Even if this isn't in RAW, if I was a DM that would be my ruling. Even if your DM gave in to rules-lawyering, there is still another line of defense against this nonsense - the RAW clearly states that feats for which you no longer meet the prerequisites can't be used; and this effect chains. In other words, if you have a feat tree and the first one on the list becomes unusable then all the others do.
I'm so very happy, never before have I seen this much stupidity in one thread. Next post I get to make fun of a brittle, aproval seeking idiot, it's like christmas came early this year!:P
**** man, if you like seeing people make total fools out of themselves(I do too)check out the crippled rogue thread.
Even if your DM gave in to rules-lawyering,
This is not rules lawyering, this is simply cheating or asking the DM for an exception from the rules. Very diffrent issues.
This nonsense isn't even within the rules AFAIK.
Feats with a stat prerequisite can only be taken if you have that stat at the required level permanently - using rolled stat, level-based increases and inherent bonuses only. You can't use stat-increasing spells with permanency cast on them for this purpose, you can't use magic items and you certainly can't use spells with limited duration.
Even if this isn't in RAW, if I was a DM that would be my ruling. Even if your DM gave in to rules-lawyering, there is still another line of defense against this nonsense - the RAW clearly states that feats for which you no longer meet the prerequisites can't be used; and this effect chains. In other words, if you have a feat tree and the first one on the list becomes unusable then all the others do.
Actually, a magic item boosting a stat does actually count as meeting the prereqs. But, like all prereqs, once you no longer have that stat (say, by losing the item), you can't use the feat or whatever. This is pretty flat out RAW. Otherwise, it'd actually be impossible for many PCs to obtain feats that they're expected to get.
That has little bearing on the cesspool that is this thread's main point, but I felt like a little edification.
I don't think it's unfair to say that nearly everyone makes some effort to optimize their characters, unless they are deliberately going the other way.
Once they (knowingly) break the constraints in their character build, they are cheating. Whereas there are levels of powergaming, cheating is absolute.
A powergamer is someone who works within the available constraints to create the most powerful character they can conceive. They try to maximize their advantages and minimize their disadvantages, from a purely statistical perspective (with little if any regard for personality).
Some powergamers create characters with interesting personalities.
I don't think it's unfair to say that nearly everyone makes some effort to optimize their characters, unless they are deliberately going the other way.
By "deliberately going the other way", are you referring to, for example, a Wizard with 6 Intelligence (that is, a character specifically designed to be as ineffective as possible)? Because that is pretty much the opposite of an effective character. (And it's not something I've heard of anyone doing, except as a joke or a thought experiment.)
I'm resisting the urge to make imaginary girl freind jokes.
I'm resisting the urge to make imaginary girl freind jokes.
No, you didn't: that was one, actually :D
And... playing a chaotic character doesn't mean you ignore the rules of the game, or try and get around them all "most powerfulest kobold" style.
Here's a tip: If you ever say, "Well, I changed the (whatever)" without a good, solid, logical reasoning in-game, you're at least a power gamer.
A) I didn't feel like waiting forever to get some badass feats.
B) I really like warrior-type characters but hate how they've been jank sense 3rd edition cameout, so this is D&D affirmative action.
C) I'm just trying to be powerful enough to be independant so people don't have to heal me all the time. (So if anything I'm being too selfless.)
D) It fits my character concept. He's a friggin army general. If an army general can't kill you with a swipe of his sword then who can?! Maybe if he was some lowly bafoon of a cadet I'd play the rules as written.
E) The only rule is zero.
*gets the fire and acid*
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
Troll indeed.
lol, I changed the rules cause
A) I didn't feel like waiting forever to get some badass feats.
Why not simply declare yourself 20th level then? It makes as much sense. Any idiot can ignore the rules and cheat. To be badass takes attitude and skill ... ah well, looks like 20th level won't help you either then ...
B) I really like warrior-type characters but hate how they've been jank sense 3rd edition cameout, so this is D&D affirmative action.
No, Tomb of Battle and and learning to optimise well is D&D affirmative action. This is cheating.
C) I'm just trying to be powerful enough to be independant so people don't have to heal me all the time. (So if anything I'm being too selfless.)
No, you're just trying to make the rest of the party superfluous to your character. This is a social game in which teamwork is encouraged. You are working counter to the intent of the game and unbalancing things.
D) It fits my character concept. He's a friggin army general. If an army general can't kill you with a swipe of his sword then who can?! Maybe if he was some lowly bafoon of a cadet I'd play the rules as written.
What are his skills at strategy, tactics and leadership? These are what an army general should be good at - he has soldiers around to do the actual fighting. Any grunt can swing a sword, it takes brains to lead an army. Don't you even understand that much?
E) The only rule is zero.
Which is the prerogative of the DM, not any of the players. When players do it, it's cheating. You obviously don't know the first thing about the game, or about social conduct. You're not the first, you won't be the last.
lol, I changed the rules cause
A) I didn't feel like waiting forever to get some badass feats.
B) I really like warrior-type characters but hate how they've been jank sense 3rd edition cameout, so this is D&D affirmative action.
C) I'm just trying to be powerful enough to be independant so people don't have to heal me all the time. (So if anything I'm being too selfless.)
D) It fits my character concept. He's a friggin army general. If an army general can't kill you with a swipe of his sword then who can?! Maybe if he was some lowly bafoon of a cadet I'd play the rules as written.
E) The only rule is zero.
Actually, in response to "A", it's quite fun to work towards your feats. There are some really neat feats at lower levels too. I'm personally a fan of the tactical feats for fighters. To each their own though.
As to "B", that's not true. I'm currently playing a fighter who's pretty powerful and a lot of fun to play. It all depends on the rest of your party too, though. Teamplay is pretty much essential. Using bull rush/directed bull-rush and what not to line up enemies nicely, so that the wizard can hit with an AoE attack feels pretty rewarding in the end
About "C", you don't need that much healing. Buy a belt of healing for in-combat purposes. If you generally play right, the party cleric won't waste his time on healing you in combat. Disposing of the monsters has a higher priority, as they can probably do more damage than you can heal. Outside of combat you can just use wands of vigor or something like that.
Additionally, look at the combat focus feats. They make you a whole lot stronger once you initiate combat (there's even one that gives you fast healing).
Additionally, rather than fudging with the rules like that you could ask if you could add a template to your character. My fighter, for instance, will soon get the mineral warrior template. He gains a burrow speed, damage reduction 8/adamantine, a really nice stat change, a natural armor bonus of +3 and many more.
In the end though you're only fooling yourself. If you've worked on a character, be it in a computer game or on pen & paper, you'll feel more accomplished regarding the game. Additionally the game is made to pose a challenge, which you're destroying. You won't have fun for long this way :o
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
I didn't feel like waiting forever to get some badass feats.
Then don't play D&D.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
I really like warrior-type characters but hate how they've been jank sense 3rd edition cameout, so this is D&D affirmative action.
My obscenely-overpowered warrior builds think you're a moron.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
It fits my character concept. He's a friggin army general. If an army general can't kill you with a swipe of his sword then who can?! Maybe if he was some lowly bafoon of a cadet I'd play the rules as written.
This is not an anime. Learn the difference.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
If you're going to powergame at least try not to be a freaking moron about it (words cannot describe the stupidity).
(words cannot describe the stupidity).
Sure they can. By the way, you only need the chant once at the end of each post.
Kratos would also like a word with this 'powergamer'.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
First, maybe you should learn a little about army generals. Are they all promoted based on merit? By the Nine Hells, no. If you are starting at level 1 and say you are an army general, then you were given command because of your social rank, not skill. Generals plan the battles, they don't always fight them, and they sure as heck aren't likely to be the strongest, except in a chaotic evil society, where you have to be strong just to survive. You are not a powergamer, you are a cheater. It is not the place of a player to rewrite an existing feat so they can be "uber strong". You want an army general that can kill an opponent with one strike? Play a fighter with a greatsword, and a 16 in strength. Good job, you deal, on average, 10 damage, which is enough to kill a typical 1st level warrior. There, now you don't need to cheat and make legitimate powergamers look bad by claiming to be one of us. As has been stated, powergamers work within the rules, cheaters change the rules to fit their needs.
You do realize he's not being serious. It's a troll post. Your talking to a wall.
You do realize he's not being serious. It's a troll post. Your talking to a wall.
I've passed by this thread several times, saw it, and it annoyed me. It's made me feel better and that's all I was going for.
How can you not feed that, it's so adorable.
A level 5 wizard will still wipe the floor with him
How can you not feed that, it's so adorable.
Yeah, it's a hard work, but sometimes a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do! :D
the sad part I find about all this, is that he could have this level 10 fighter and such with his 25 str, life is good, cheating all up the wazoo.
A level 5 wizard will still wipe the floor with him
No, here's the real sad part: he'ld just give himself spell resistance then, or all good saves, Mettle, and Evasion. My bet's on the last idea since it also works against breath weapons and the like.
No, here's the real sad part: he'ld just give himself spell resistance then, or all good saves, Mettle, and Evasion. My bet's on the last idea since it also works against breath weapons and the like.
As free feats of course, without prerequisites. Or maybe he could 'rule 0' and just declare himself invulnerable to everything? :D
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
No, you have to be level 17 for that spell. Try Summon Pun-Pun I. Same result, much lower level. And I must ask, what the heck does that chant mean?
My level is infinity + 1. Silly mortal. My version summons a lot more of them. ^.^
The chant stems from a thread in which the OP proved himself utterly *headdesk* and *facepaw* inducing, completely failing to make any sense whatsoever.
It was originally invoked as the answer to Law vs Chaos debates, but I expanded it to include shutting out any sort of troll. :P
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
JimProfit, this thread has just colored my perception of you irrevocably. Anything I see you post in the future will be disregarded because I know what a slimeball you are. But if you can live with yourself, I guess you're fine.
-Count Dravda
His actions are deplorable at best, unlikely is more the word. If he has never played the game before and his GM has...how is it this loser as pulled the sheet over his GM's eyes? I mean the guy (and I'm still iffy on this) sounds like he (?) plays video games for a living...or doesn't make a living at all but lives off of his gf (b?) because he (still he?) can't do anything else.
What more despicable person lives on this planet than the ones who survive off of someone else's hard work? I think JimProfit is it's name...by his (nah) words I would have to say he's (c'mon, really he?) a slacker and a loser and looking for attention. And we've given it to...well....it.
I love the Feeding the Troll art...that should be a signature
I mean, one incredibly socially challenged gamer managed to not just find a gf but marry her (OK, she's the OP and divorced him later, and by her admission she had serious self-esteem issues of her own, but nonetheless it happened).
My second thought was: Bring out the+1 flaming burst throwing distance chickens.
My third was: We need +1 flaming burst, transmuting, throwing, distance, pun-pun.
My fourth thought was: Add in an asylum-teleporter ability to that last one.
Really, I used to cheat at video games myself. I don't now. Wanna know why? You just cheat yourself of fun. It gets really old, really fast.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
People, you are forgetting the chant!
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
Thank you.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
Now now, hammer guns are for maliciously poor DMs, not crappy players and trolls.
Trolls require +5 Flaming Adamantium Folding Chairs.
Insert Chant Here
(Honestly, I wanted to say that for the past two days, but I was hoping the chatter would die out, and I didn't want to be part of the problem.)
...no sorry, I cant pull this off. Its just too much. Your a jerk. Ive given DMs and fellow players some hard time with my D&D concepts, but I wasnt nearly as bad as you. you should do a solo campeign were your the DM aswell, thats the only game that will work with you that doesnt spoil the fun for others. You obviosly started this thread because you find it amusing, and I'm replying becayse I find your comments and self glorification attempt amusing in a pathetic way. Keep up the good work!
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
Trolls require +5 Flaming Adamantium Folding Chairs.
Insert Chant Here
Lazy. *smites*
Anyways, I'd just like to say that as an actual evil person and not that chaotic stupid nonsense the OP is batting about that regarding others as less than equal does not negatively impact enjoyment of D&D. Cheating however does.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
Lazy. *smites*
Smite Me!? Smite you!
Also, I like pie.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
I have elder deities on my side. Supreme Folding Chair of Salvation. Hiya!
Also, I like pie.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
:invasion: :invasion: :invasion: :invasion: :invasion: :invasion: :invasion: :invasion: :invasion: :invasion: :invasion: :invasion:
SMILEY FIGHT!!!!
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
:fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :invasion:
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
Get them! :pile:
((I wonder how much more of this randomness it will take. Anyone care to take wagers on it?))
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
:pile: :pile: :pile: :pile: :pile: :pile: :pile: :pile: :pile: :pile: :pile: :pile: :pile: :pile: :pile: :invasion: :evillaugh 
Go go, Fight fight, I hope I look all right!Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
Have all of you gone as insane as we wish the OP is?
This is just as productive as the original topic, but somewhat more amusing. That, and it's more likely to get this locked so that it can die in peace.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
This is just as productive as the original topic, but somewhat more amusing. That, and it's more likely to get this locked so that it can die in peace.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
If you hadn't stupidly advocated constantly bumping this thread it would have already died! Cut the stupid chant and let the topic die. By the way for pumping life into this thread for so long like some obscenely stupid necromancer you will be damned to the tenth layer of hell. The only other inhabitant will be the OP. You will be forced to game together.
If you hadn't stupidly advocated constantly bumping this thread it would have already died! Cut the stupid chant and let the topic die. By the way for pumping life into this thread for so long like some obscenely stupid necromancer you will be damned to the tenth layer of hell. The only other inhabitant will be the OP. You will be forced to game together.
You are to mature for these boards.
If you hadn't stupidly advocated constantly bumping this thread it would have already died! Cut the stupid chant and let the topic die. By the way for pumping life into this thread for so long like some obscenely stupid necromancer you will be damned to the tenth layer of hell. The only other inhabitant will be the OP. You will be forced to game together.
Yep and their behavior is worse than the OP's
Yep and their behavior is worse than the OP's
You are also to mature. We are just Trolling a Troll.
CONTINUE SMILEY FIGHT!!!
:invasion: :fight!: 
:OMG! :OMG! 
@Sunic-Flames How did you make the Epic Fail Smiley?
Assassin, Go!
Archers, Ready!
Infantry, charge! :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!:
Drunken Masters, prepare for battle!
Shamens, get casting!
Jelly cubes, Swallow!
Hey while were here shall we try and make a freeform army fight?
If you hadn't stupidly advocated constantly bumping this thread it would have already died! Cut the stupid chant and let the topic die. By the way for pumping life into this thread for so long like some obscenely stupid necromancer you will be damned to the tenth layer of hell. The only other inhabitant will be the OP. You will be forced to game together.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the Lord of the Ninth already has a contract on my soul. The OP is going to the Abyss.
As for our behavior, this thread is useless anyways. Why did you enter such an obvious troll thread expecting it to be productive?
I do think we managed to scare the guy off though. :D
That smiley was not made by me. It was made by someone else. I forget who, but it came up in a sorcerer vs warmage thread in response to something highly sarcastic. I think it was cantrip related.
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
You are also to mature. We are just Trolling a Troll.
Trolling appears to be in violation of the Code of Conduct, regardless of whether the target was himself trolling. If someone were to Report your post, in which you openly and explicitly confess to trolling, that'll probably get the thread locked faster than the smiley fight.
I'm not going to do it, because I'm not a jerk. But someone might. So keep that in mind going forward.
Trolling appears to be in violation of the Code of Conduct, regardless of whether the target was himself trolling. If someone were to Report your post, in which you openly and explicitly confess to trolling, that'll probably get the thread locked faster than the smiley fight.
I'm not going to do it, because I'm not a jerk. But someone might. So keep that in mind going forward.
So you are giving us advice? Ok.
TROLL FIGHT!!!
Can I have one?
The smiley? Save target as. :P
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
The smiley? Save target as. :P
Okay I did that, but how do I post it?
:coolcthul :fight!:
Sorry to disappoint you, but the Lord of the Ninth already has a contract on my soul. The OP is going to the Abyss.
As for our behavior, this thread is useless anyways. Why did you enter such an obvious troll thread expecting it to be productive?
I do think we managed to scare the guy off though. :D
Wonder-f***en'-ful you realise that this thread is a blight on the face of the boards and it is rather selfish to bump until some *has* to lock it. I can assure you that not everyone is getting the amusement that you are so obviously deriving from it. Anyway the lord of the ninth's true form is also in the tenth layer so I see no conflict of interest, also the OP self identifies as lawful evil. That and an infernal lawyer is enough to ensure he arrives on the Shelves of Despond.
Wonder-f***en'-ful you realise that this thread is a blight on the face of the boards and it is rather selfish to bump until some *has* to lock it. I can assure you that not everyone is getting the amusement that you are so obviously deriving from it. Anyway the lord of the ninth's true form is also in the tenth layer so I see no conflict of interest, also the OP self identifies as lawful evil. That and an infernal lawyer is enough to ensure he arrives on the Shelves of Despond.
:invasion:
:whatsthis :fight!:I can do this all day long!
Okay I did that, but how do I post it?
ImageShack works.
The OP may self identify but actions do not match words. Chaotic Stupid people don't get an alignment based afterlife. They are permanently transmuted to Fighter 5s.
:bounce: :invasion: :pile:
TROLL FIGHT!!!
Wonder-f***en'-ful you realise that this thread is a blight on the face of the boards and it is rather selfish to bump until some *has* to lock it. I can assure you that not everyone is getting the amusement that you are so obviously deriving from it. Anyway the lord of the ninth's true form is also in the tenth layer so I see no conflict of interest, also the OP self identifies as lawful evil. That and an infernal lawyer is enough to ensure he arrives on the Shelves of Despond.
Lawful? How the **** is this guy lawful. He is obviously CE.
Lawful? How the **** is this guy lawful. He is obviously CE.
Read the thread (If, you know, you don't mind having your brain raped) and you will find that he calls himself LE at several different points. Infernal Lawyers (Worse then regular ones!) would easily take that statement and ensure that his soul ends up in the possesion of one of the lords of the nine.
SMILEY/TROLL FIGHT!!!
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But if one takes his actions into account, he's CE, thus placing his soul under the possesion of one of the Demon princes, which is equally, if not more terrible a fate.
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But if one takes his actions into account, he's CE, thus placing his soul under the possesion of one of the Demon princes, which is equally, if not more terrible a fate.
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I dunno brain...forced intrusion, sounds a little worse.
Crapdamit!!! I can't add my own smileys!
Meh. They're both bad.
Idea! maybe we can find a loophole to send him to that LG place! He'll be absolutely miserable there!
He is obviously Chaotic Stupid.
Lawful Evil would be regarding people as inferior. Individual persons may not be, but people are because there are just enough who need warning labels like 'hot coffee may be hot' to drag the average down beyond all hope of recovery. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
But then he messed it up by his actions towards the group. From the LE mindset, the group fell under one of three rough categories:
'Friends' aka those few who are actually worthy of respect, and that therefore have earned the right to be exempted from such treatment... at least until they forfeit said right.
Useful resources in that they haven't really earned it, but it's still counterproductive and stupid to squander your own resources. Self interest ensures they will at least be treated decently until again, they forfeit that right.
Then there's the worthless types which are neither of the above. No reason to associate with them willingly and kinda stupid to do so as it accomplishes nothing.
Since clearly based on the examples given the OP's situation is the second or third group... Chaotic Stupid. Not Lawful Evil.
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Oh and you did the picture wrong. Thumbnail = bad. :P
Oh and you did the picture wrong. Thumbnail = bad. :P
I put it on Image Shack, what next?
:88E: :coolcthul 
:fight!: In fact I agree that you represent the lollipop guild.
We are flaming and off topic here. Please return to the topic.
Thanks
Sin
Hey Folks,
We are flaming and off topic here. Please return to the topic.
Thanks
Sin
No offense, but its about time!
In B 4 the lock!!!
Hey Folks,
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Sin
Wow. Took long enough...:D
So. Who thinks he's a powergamer?
Hey Folks,
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Sin
*facepalm*
Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven Mahoia Bonaven.
QFT
Honestly, to answer your question, you are not a powergamer, and munchkin is too nice of a word. Im fully aware you are likely a troll but oh well.
Now if you are going to play something, play it by the book, clean, and without any rule breaking. It's much more satisfying believe me. Better results can also be had if you simply take the time to read what's available, for example, if you like high str...
goliath barbarian 1 + reckless rage feat + an assumed 16 base strength (no fudging those 18's (~.^) + feral template = 16 + 4 (rage) + 2 (mountain rage variant from the goliath barb level + 4 (racial) + 2 (reckless rage) + 4 (feral) + 2 (assume gauntlets of Ogre str) = 34, or in other words, you lose That's with a mere +2 LA, and not at level 20, this achievable easily in the early game, you be say, 4th level character (actual 6th after LA)
Throw in whatever feats, classes or whatever to suit, so long as you can actually take them.
And you need cheaterific epic level feats to hit 25? *sighs*
Love,
Avo
Something that caught my attention, though. Presuming, for the sake of argument, that what he is claiming is correct, at one point he stated he is doing this to be a badass. Well, son, power alone doesn't make you a badass. You achieve it through your fellow players knowing that if you wanted to, you could take out anyone you wanted to (in game) through sneakiness, careful planning, and the ability to improvise on the spot.