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Concealment and Hide

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#1
cencio
Nov 05, 2008 8:08:46 Hi all,

in last d&d session my thief come into this situation:

it has concealment and tryed to hide with success
it walks beetween some enemies (still with concealment and wins new checks)
it opens a door standing in front of an enemy (still with concealment and wins new checks)

Now, it is possible? My master says that's if i'm in line of sight i can't try to hide.
Again, opening a door reveals my position?
Finally, how many check i have to do for my hide?

Thx for any help
#2
drmorganes
Nov 05, 2008 15:54:40 We're missing information.

What level is your rogue, and what Utility Powers does he have? Does he have any relevant feats?

However, there are a few things you need to keep in mind:
You need superior cover OR total concealment OR be out of line of sight to hide.
You remain hidden only as long as you meet ALL of the following conditions: You keep out of sight, keep quiet, keep still, and don't attack. The specifics of these conditions have been published in the Player's Handbook Errata.
If you break any of those conditions, you keep the benefits of being hidden until you resolve your action. After the action is resolved you are no longer hidden.

With that in mind, let's break this down:

it has concealment and tryed to hide with success

I'll assume you mean total concealment. So far, so good.

it walks beetween some enemies (still with concealment and wins new checks)

Moving more than 2 squares hits you with a -5 penalty to your Stealth Check. This penalty can be negated by various Rogue Utility Powers. If your Stealth Check beats their Passive Perception, you remain hidden. Remember, though, to compare your Stealth Check with the Passive Perception of EVERY opponent that has line of sight to you.

it opens a door standing in front of an enemy (still with concealment and wins new checks)

This is where things break down.

Your DM is right, however, in that you cannot hide if you are in sight of an enemy. However, you can remain hidden as long as you maintain cover or concealment.

If you have concealment or cover vs ALL of your opponents, you can remain hidden as long as your Stealth Check beats the Passive Perception of ALL enemies with Line of Sight to your location.
#3
Zherog
Nov 05, 2008 17:24:31 And of course, the Good Doctor is assuming you're playing 4e. If not, that would also be useful information to know. :D
#4
cencio
Nov 06, 2008 6:05:13 Thx for your help, but i'm using 3.5. Sorry for the omission..

Hide requires only concealment or cover to make a try, (Maybe a wrong translation?).
#5
drmorganes
Nov 06, 2008 8:58:42 3.5 changes things a touch, but not by much. Opponents make Spot Checks vs your Hide Check, and you have no Utility Powers to offset any penalties you may incur. You must still maintain cover or concealment relative to all observers, but total cover/total concealment generally eliminates the need for a Hide Check.

In either case, opening a door going to raise some eyebrows. They may not see you, but the Spot Check DC to notice a door is now open should be fairly low.

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#1 cencio Nov 05, 2008 8:08:46	Hi all, in last d&d session my thief come into this situation: it has concealment and tryed to hide with success it walks beetween some enemies (still with concealment and wins new checks) it opens a door standing in front of an enemy (still with concealment and wins new checks) Now, it is possible? My master says that's if i'm in line of sight i can't try to hide. Again, opening a door reveals my position? Finally, how many check i have to do for my hide? Thx for any help
#2 drmorganes Nov 05, 2008 15:54:40	We're missing information. What level is your rogue, and what Utility Powers does he have? Does he have any relevant feats? However, there are a few things you need to keep in mind: You need superior cover OR total concealment OR be out of line of sight to hide. You remain hidden only as long as you meet ALL of the following conditions: You keep out of sight, keep quiet, keep still, and don't attack. The specifics of these conditions have been published in the Player's Handbook Errata. If you break any of those conditions, you keep the benefits of being hidden until you resolve your action. After the action is resolved you are no longer hidden. With that in mind, let's break this down: it has concealment and tryed to hide with success I'll assume you mean total concealment. So far, so good. it walks beetween some enemies (still with concealment and wins new checks) Moving more than 2 squares hits you with a -5 penalty to your Stealth Check. This penalty can be negated by various Rogue Utility Powers. If your Stealth Check beats their Passive Perception, you remain hidden. Remember, though, to compare your Stealth Check with the Passive Perception of EVERY opponent that has line of sight to you. it opens a door standing in front of an enemy (still with concealment and wins new checks) This is where things break down. Your DM is right, however, in that you cannot hide if you are in sight of an enemy. However, you can remain hidden as long as you maintain cover or concealment. If you have concealment or cover vs ALL of your opponents, you can remain hidden as long as your Stealth Check beats the Passive Perception of ALL enemies with Line of Sight to your location.
#3 Zherog Nov 05, 2008 17:24:31	And of course, the Good Doctor is assuming you're playing 4e. If not, that would also be useful information to know. :D
#4 cencio Nov 06, 2008 6:05:13	Thx for your help, but i'm using 3.5. Sorry for the omission.. Hide requires only concealment or cover to make a try, (Maybe a wrong translation?).
#5 drmorganes Nov 06, 2008 8:58:42	3.5 changes things a touch, but not by much. Opponents make Spot Checks vs your Hide Check, and you have no Utility Powers to offset any penalties you may incur. You must still maintain cover or concealment relative to all observers, but total cover/total concealment generally eliminates the need for a Hide Check. In either case, opening a door going to raise some eyebrows. They may not see you, but the Spot Check DC to notice a door is now open should be fairly low.