Which one should one choose, if the other party members don't care about filling the roles, and you just want to throw fireballs and shoot lightning from your fingertips?
Do you want to manipulate the battlefield? Play a wizard.
As far as flavor, wizards tend to be more studious and learned their powers over years of study, and sorcerers tend to have innate power that they're born with.
If you want to deal damage, your choice is clear.
I've been thinking a bit... Aside from their roles (Wizard are Controllers and Sorcerers are Strikers) what is the difference between a Sorcerer and a Wizard in 4.0E(Not counting Paragon paths). They seem pretty similar to me.
Which one should one choose, if the other party members don't care about filling the roles, and you just want to throw fireballs and shoot lightning from your fingertips?
Well, if you're choosing just based on flavor, look at the primary stats. Wizards are Int-based, while Sorcerers are Cha-based. To me, this means that wizards are, as Dragonsblood said, more studious. This makes me think of stereotypical acedemia, where you have to have a Ph.D. (or several) just to be taken seriously and you're very aware of how much smarter you are than other people. On the other hand, Sorcerers seem more Good Will Hunting to me. They're still an arcane user, but doing things that would take a wizard years of study may just come naturally to them. They're not like academia-types at all.
Now, you're saying you want to choose one or the other not based on their roles, but to me, that's the main thing. The class roles may not mean as much in the party make-up, but the important question is still how do you want to play your character? What method would you have more fun with?
So... it's either kill one enemy at a time quickly, or kill all the minions in one or two blasts and then start killing regular enemies over several turns, or keep them in place so your allies can slaughter them quickly? Any other major differences that are worth mentioning? Anything spell-related, WP-related... anything?
Nah, there is no actual difference between a Fighter, Sorceror, or Wizard. All the same.
Did you actually read the class entries?
I guess also the Wizard doesn't really have a major class feature aside from his Daily spells being game changers, and having a bunch of them. The free rituals also can make you "Mr. Utility Belt" for your party.
Sorcerers, even though they do damage, damage and more damage, are more influenced by their class feature choice.
I guess the only major consideration besides what you want to play would be what role the party doesn't already have spoken for. Even if the players think they don't care about having all the roles, having them is still better than not most of the time and your character stands out that much more.
We do, however, play with a few houserules, one of them stating that a Character can use as many Dailies as he/she has, giving Wizards a huge advantage and can use any of them several times (if a Wizard has 8 Dailies at level 6, he can use Dailies 8 times between rests. This potentially allows for 8 times Fireball or Sleep (or four of each) in the same encounter. Likewise, Coup de Grace can be done by just dealing ½ the enemy's max HP damage OR by hitting them in their sleep.
Still, Deva Wizards are a bit more versatile, as long as they have the Expanded Spellbook and Remembered Wizardry feats. They can easily have a more varied array of spells (some close blast/bursts, some ranged blast/bursts, some single target and some crowd control). Just depends on the situation and the number of enemies affected by Sleep.
We do, however, play with a few houserules, one of them stating that a Character can use as many Dailies as he/she has, giving Wizards a huge advantage and can use any of them several times (if a Wizard has 8 Dailies at level 6, he can use Dailies 8 times between rests. This potentially allows for 8 times Fireball or Sleep (or four of each) in the same encounter. Likewise, Coup de Grace can be done by just dealing ½ the enemy's max HP damage OR by hitting them in their sleep.
That is..... absurdly overpowered. Enjoy wrecking every encounter until he gets wise, I guess.
We do, however, play with a few houserules, one of them stating that a Character can use as many Dailies as he/she has, giving Wizards a huge advantage
Er, and by that you mean "making them by far the best class in the game", right?
... some of the other houserules we have regarding classes, such as the one stating that Warlocks make better meat-tanks than fighters, ...
Our group generally tends to play overpowered characters.
You mean those squishy, cloth wearing casters (and thus ranged based class) are going toe-to-toe with monsters in your games?
Don't tell me you're all old 3.5 players who were mad at the nerfed magic-users of 4e?
*walks off mumbling something about how some people seem to still mess up the only thing that Wizards actually got right with 4e*
If others have a problem with our houserules, I don't care. Just be glad you're not playing with us, and stop whining about our houserules, that I didn't make up. It's not like the other classes aren't overpowered too (such as the 4.0 Meat-tank Infernal Warlock, which has been seen to reach 1500 Temporary HP while the rest got pummeled to death and once (due to minor mis-reading) dealt approximately 2700 damage against a single enemy (Don't ask how, 'cause I don't remember)).
This thread should just end here with no more posts from anyone.
It's about on par with making an opening post saying "Wizards don't make sense" and only mentioning after 5 pages of discussion that you are playing D20 Modern.
I'm somewhat curious how the Warlock managed to get 1500 thps though. What is the houserule which allows that?
There's nothing wrong with houserules; if that's how you want to play, then that's how you want to play.
I'm somewhat curious how the Warlock managed to get 1500 thps though. What is the houserule which allows that?
I'd guess it was the thp stacks, from all sources.
There's nothing wrong with houserules; if that's how you want to play, then that's how you want to play.
I'm somewhat curious how the Warlock managed to get 1500 thps though. What is the houserule which allows that?
I'd guess it was the thp stacks, from all sources.
Probably in combination with it not fading after a short rest/5 minutes.
There's nothing wrong with houserules; if that's how you want to play, then that's how you want to play.
I'm somewhat curious how the Warlock managed to get 1500 thps though. What is the houserule which allows that?
No Houserule. Just the result of us coming to a town, the warlock cursing them all and then the non-good PCs slaying everyone. They did only count as minions, having 1 HP and there were no guards in a fifty-mile radius. That, and the Warlord using some power to give an ally Temp HP. And the Warlock having found a Statue of Asmodeus (Houseruled Item) that let him curse additional enemies (1 per tier), meaning that a level 21 Warlock could easily curse 6 enemies, since his class features let him curse one enemy in heroic, two in paragon and three in epic tier (if I'm not wrong).
There's nothing wrong with houserules; if that's how you want to play, then that's how you want to play.
I'm somewhat curious how the Warlock managed to get 1500 thps though. What is the houserule which allows that?
No Houserule. Just the result of us coming to a town, the warlock cursing them all and then the non-good PCs slaying everyone. They did only count as minions, having 1 HP and there were no guards in a fifty-mile radius. That, and the Warlord using some power to give an ally Temp HP. And the Warlock having found a Statue of Asmodeus (Houseruled Item) that let him curse additional enemies (1 per tier), meaning that a level 21 Warlock could easily curse 6 enemies, since his class features let him curse one enemy in heroic, two in paragon and three in epic tier (if I'm not wrong).
That's still a houserule. Per core, temp hit points NEVER stack. If you curse two enemies, and both die, you gain THP once, and if another cursed enemy dies the next round, you only gain THP if the new amount is more than the THP you already have, in which case the new THP replace the old. They never stack. Like....Evar.
Honestly, you may want to check out the Houserule & Homebrew forum, that may be able to help you more for what you're looking for.
To answer your initial question, play a wizard. You'll get more attack powers, and be able to do more blasting. Obviously Expanded Spellbook will go without saying, and I'd recommend Tome implement, since you can (I assume, per your houserules) get an extra Encounter power, as well.
Basically, Wizard wield controlled and refined arcane magic through complex formulas (as they also get Ritual ccasting for free) while the Sorcerer spurt wild and raw arcane magic that is barely controlled.
That's still a houserule. Per core, temp hit points NEVER stack. If you curse two enemies, and both die, you gain THP once, and if another cursed enemy dies the next round, you only gain THP if the new amount is more than the THP you already have, in which case the new THP replace the old. They never stack. Like....Evar.
Huh... That's... Rather... Wierd...
We've always interpreted it, so Temp HP stacks, but now it's either a houserule or nerfing the Meat-tank Warlock.
Like was said before. Warlock = squishy, clothy caster that has no business in melee.
When did posts start leaking over from Bizzaro-world?
Edit: Oh, and for the OP, Spellbook is an almost useless feature, speaking as a player that has played Wizards to Paragon twice. Just pick one good Wizard spell per level and stick with it. Here's a hint: Flaming Sphere, Stinking Cloud, Wall of Fire.
Edit: Oh, and for the OP, Spellbook is an almost useless feature, speaking as a player that has played Wizards to Paragon twice. Just pick one good Wizard spell per level and stick with it. Here's a hint: Flaming Sphere, Stinking Cloud, Wall of Fire.
You missed the houserule that will basically allow the Wizard to cast ALL the dailies he knows, including the daily spells in his spellbook, even after he's cast the daily spells that he's prepared. By taking Expanded Spellbook, the wizard effectively gets THREE times as many daily spells as everybody else.
OP: The player's handbook (pages 293 and 294) cover Temp HP and quite clearly state that you never add them together.
I've been thinking a bit... Aside from their roles (Wizard are Controllers and Sorcerers are Strikers) what is the difference between a Sorcerer and a Wizard in 4.0E(Not counting Paragon paths). They seem pretty similar to me.
The same difference than between all classes in 4E.
The status effect tacked onto their 3d6 damage attack.
I've been thinking a bit... Aside from their roles (Wizard are Controllers and Sorcerers are Strikers) what is the difference between a Sorcerer and a Wizard in 4.0E(Not counting Paragon paths). They seem pretty similar to me.
The same difference than between all classes in 4E.
The status effect tacked onto their 3d6 damage attack.
Now, be fair, there's also role and... No, that's all I've got.
OH! YOU CAN REFLAVOR ALL THE POWERS TO BE WHATEVER YOU WANT, EVER!
I've been thinking a bit... Aside from their roles (Wizard are Controllers and Sorcerers are Strikers) what is the difference between a Sorcerer and a Wizard in 4.0E(Not counting Paragon paths). They seem pretty similar to me.
The same difference than between all classes in 4E.
The status effect tacked onto their 3d6 damage attack.
Now, be fair, there's also role and... No, that's all I've got.
OH! YOU CAN REFLAVOR ALL THE POWERS TO BE WHATEVER YOU WANT, EVER!
The rules explicitly say this, too.
"Want your magic missile to look like a smoke skull? Sure. As long as you don't mess with the stats, you're good to go."
The same difference than between all classes in 4E.
The status effect tacked onto their 3d6 damage attack.
Damage is simply a means of advancing the encounter. It's like the passage of time; indeed, it's a better representation of the passage of time than rounds, because without damage most encounters would just go on forever. All powers get damage in order to advance the encounter. The additional effects are what they actually do.
Saying that all classes' powers are the same except for the effect tacked onto the damage is like saying that all medicine is the same except for the effects tacked onto the hypodermic needle jab. Technically accurate in that FOX News kind of way, but blatantly prejudicial in your willingness to place 4e's cart before its horse just so you can then point and laugh at it for being the wrong way around.
It's tired, it's transparent, and it's more than a little bit sad. Kindly pipe down and move along.