You're playing a striker, and I'm wagering a pretty optimized one (or your DM really likes to use weak monsters). Taking out monsters in a round or two is your job; that's how it's supposed to work.
If he's not willing to come to some kind of compromise, then leave the game.
Talk to the DM, first of all. Tell him basically what you have just told us. You feel you're being treated unfairly, and you aren't having fun.
You're playing a striker, and I'm wagering a pretty optimized one (or your DM really likes to use weak monsters). Taking out monsters in a round or two is your job; that's how it's supposed to work.
If he's not willing to come to some kind of compromise, then leave the game.
This. The other striker and I are the two characters who are most optimized in my group, and the DM tends to whine about us. But, doing good damage is our job. We remind him of that, point out that our combats /still/ drag on forever because we don't carry the group /enough/. That usually ends the discussion.
Talk to the DM, first of all. Tell him basically what you have just told us. You feel you're being treated unfairly, and you aren't having fun.
You're playing a striker, and I'm wagering a pretty optimized one (or your DM really likes to use weak monsters). Taking out monsters in a round or two is your job; that's how it's supposed to work.
If he's not willing to come to some kind of compromise, then leave the game.
I can't see how this can be said any better.
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Keep in mind, though, that you set yourself up for this kind of vulnerability. There are several barbarian powers that target Fortitude, and a few that target Reflex. If your party has a leader, there should be some ways for you to get attack bonuses when you need them. The rest of the group might be having fun, but it's probably to their advantage to set up their striker to be able to hit.
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that the monsters' NADs seem to always be around 2 pts lower than their AC, the majority of the posters here would all be well within their rights to feel a little silly...
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that the monsters' NADs seem to always be around 2 pts lower than their AC, the majority of the posters here would all be well within their rights to feel a little silly...
You think it's possible that he only feels hindered, but isn't actually? I still think a talk with the DM is warranted, regardless of what the math says. Math isn't everthing, even (perhaps especially) in 4e.
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that the monsters' NADs seem to always be around 2 pts lower than their AC, the majority of the posters here would all be well within their rights to feel a little silly...
You think it's possible that he only feels hindered, but isn't actually? I still think a talk with the DM is warranted, regardless of what the math says. Math isn't everthing, even (perhaps especially) in 4e.
Yes, it's certainly possible.
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that the monsters' NADs seem to always be around 2 pts lower than their AC, the majority of the posters here would all be well within their rights to feel a little silly...
You think it's possible that he only feels hindered, but isn't actually? I still think a talk with the DM is warranted, regardless of what the math says. Math isn't everthing, even (perhaps especially) in 4e.
Yes, it's certainly possible.
Then the player should talk to the DM. Only the DM knows for sure, and it doesn't matter what we tell the poster is really going on.
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that the monsters' NADs seem to always be around 2 pts lower than their AC, the majority of the posters here would all be well within their rights to feel a little silly...
You think it's possible that he only feels hindered, but isn't actually? I still think a talk with the DM is warranted, regardless of what the math says. Math isn't everthing, even (perhaps especially) in 4e.
Yes, it's certainly possible.
Then the player should talk to the DM. Only the DM knows for sure, and it doesn't matter what we tell the poster is really going on.
Talking to the DM certainly isn't a terrible idea. But I can't agree with the notion that only DM knows whether he's tweaking monster ACs.
So I ask WHAT DO ????????
Tell your DM. Then work with your DM to solve your problems or find a new DM.
Solve the problem could be as simple as "The DM stops upping the AC" or it could be you optimizing less. Figure out something you both like and do that.
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that the monsters' NADs seem to always be around 2 pts lower than their AC, the majority of the posters here would all be well within their rights to feel a little silly...
You think it's possible that he only feels hindered, but isn't actually? I still think a talk with the DM is warranted, regardless of what the math says. Math isn't everthing, even (perhaps especially) in 4e.
No matter if its numbers, misintrepretation, etc. Talking to the DM is really the only way to figure this out.
When I started running 4e I had a player after several game sessions come to me and ask why I was punishing his character for oppertunity actions.
After talking about it, we clearly had different intrepretations on the subject.
I tried to set up the board to the previous battle. We went over it again and again.
Finally we decided to start anew the next sessions.
As it turns out we both were incorrect in some regards. My fault lied in some of his movements. The player would pick up his character and move him from point a to d without showing the path. I made the assumption that it was direct without asking. As for the player he didn't realize that some of the other players characters players had some serious shifting abilities and wouldn't get attacked for that reason.
In the end we worked it out. But only by communicating with each other.
If you don't feel comfortable talking to the DM alone then ask a fellow player to help be the go-between.
Some races have really high ACs but poor saving throws. Monster Manuals are good for finding this stuff out.
I'll be the devil's advocate and say you should take a Gouge and be a charge barb (assuming 4e). Then the monsters will need high ref and AC to avoid you.
Ah the gouge, a wonderfully abusive weapon.
It's an Ax!
It's a Spear!
It's a 2d6 weapon that you re-roll 1s!
My Slayer highly endorses it.
Good Call Matyr!
I'll be the devil's advocate and say you should take a Gouge and be a charge barb (assuming 4e). Then the monsters will need high ref and AC to avoid you.
Doesn't really work, since Impaling Spear doesn't work with Howling Strike...
I'll be the devil's advocate and say you should take a Gouge and be a charge barb (assuming 4e). Then the monsters will need high ref and AC to avoid you.
Doesn't really work, since Impaling Spear doesn't work with Howling Strike...
Which is saddening to lose 1d6 of damage. But if it increases your chance to hit by, say, 7. It might be worth it...
But in principle, yes. However, if you're not using Howling Strike, you might as well not be using a barb if you're charging.
true, true. but you're also losing more than that, due to not using a Barbarian power (one of the class features triggers on them) - and it's 1/2/3d6 ;)
But in principle, yes. However, if you're not using Howling Strike, you might as well not be using a barb if you're charging.
It wasn't meant as a serious comment at all. Just pointing out that if you hose a player in DnD there are often a lot of ways to get around it.
true, true. but you're also losing more than that, due to not using a Barbarian power (one of the class features triggers on them) - and it's 1/2/3d6 ;)
But in principle, yes. However, if you're not using Howling Strike, you might as well not be using a barb if you're charging.
It wasn't meant as a serious comment at all. Just pointing out that if you hose a player in DnD there are often a lot of ways to get around it.
Sorry for taking so long to post and say thanks for all the feedback, When I had posted I forgot to include math of any kind. So he is a fairly new DM so he did not understand what was balanced and what was broken. He seriously thought that barbarians where a broken class as I was the only striker in the party and he had no real knowledge of the role system and based all judgements on my character alone. I have talked to him and resolved the problem and I know for a fact I was being treated unfairly and was not just a "feeling". Also dispite no know the exact AC of the creatures I was missing on rolls such as 17+12 Vs Ac but hiting with rolls like 5+11 vs fort basicly limiting me to one reliable attack per encounter (besides my daily) via Brutal Slam. Anyways Thank you very much.
Hi I play a barbarian I do lots of dpr and am fairly tanky, however I am the only one in the party who is Vs AC. When I hit I tend to do chunks of the monsters hp killing them in about 1-2 rounds. My DM however did not like the fact that I was doing so well, in responce the only things we fight nowadays are monsters with unresonable AC hindering only me and no one else in the party. I am no longer having any fun as I cannot hit anything and am only good for skill checks.On the bright side the rest of my party is having a blast and all the monsters are a cake walk for them as they only have high AC. So I ask WHAT DO ????????
Sounds to me that your GM would rather shame a player than challenge a player, this also goes with making you look like the bad guy by the group.
Because you are a 1 or shot killer, I will throw mobs that you will not easily kill, unfortuntely their power level will make the rest of the party useless....and this is because you play this sort of character.
If damage and melee are your strongest points, why is your GM not taking advantage of your weaknesses?
Ranged attacks.
Magic.
Superior tactics.
Seems the GM is taking it personal and has not GM's for too long to realize this, or he is upset and not thinking too clearly and professionally.