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#1 Felorn Aug 01, 2012 20:45:47	I understand that there is the occasional Warlock, but I rarely see someone play a arcane class other than the Wizard. Is it because the other arcane classes just aren't as useful? Or is it some other reason? I don't necessarily think they aren't useful but the wizards is obviously better with out of combat scenarios. Especially with wizard utilities. I've never seen a sorcerer or warlock spell be useful out of combat. Does anyone else notice this. PS I play a Epic lvl fighter so excuse my ignorance when it comes to arcane classes.
#2 frothsof Aug 01, 2012 21:22:17	ive played, dmed for, and loved them all, so i dont really have the same experience
#3 LordManshoon Aug 01, 2012 21:58:22	I've seen every arcane class in play at my table. I can't say I've seen the Wizard corner the market on out-of-combat utility or mass appeal. Personally speaking, my favorite arcane class would probably be the Sorcerer for flavor reasons, with Swordmage at a close second.
#4 salla Aug 01, 2012 23:59:14	I loves me some Artificer. I think part of the issue is that the Wizard is probably the overall best controller, whereas the arcane classes in the other roles are often overshadowed; while they aren't necessarily BAD, there's usually a better option from either the efficiency or ease of play front.  I mean, the Sorcerer isn't a BAD striker, but nobody compares to the Ranger.
#5 bone_naga Aug 02, 2012 5:12:40	I really love the warlock. The only one that doesn't get much love from me is the artificer.
#6 Madfox11 Aug 02, 2012 6:33:53	I have seen ample of warlocks and bards. Artificers and swordmages are rarer, but personally I have fun with my swordmage (it is challenging to make it effective, but that is half the fun).
#7 Runfer_Cover Aug 02, 2012 6:42:47	Running and playing LFR games for our Local Gaming Store, I have seen all arcane classes played and used pretty nicely. I think were it comes in is the glut of classes out there.  People want to keep trying new classes and so the older ones kind of go to the side.
#8 ToeSama Aug 02, 2012 7:08:52	I loves me some Artificer. I second this motion.
#9 Garthanos Aug 02, 2012 8:42:43	Artificiers, Bards, Swordmages, Sorcerors and Locks oh my...   Wizards have cantrips certainly a fun  but cant imagine focusing on just one.
#42 Telwar Aug 04, 2012 20:13:54	I loves me my sorcerer.  Right now I'm playing an fire elementalist sorcerer and having a blast. In our Dark Sun game, I'm playing a Star Pact Hexblade, too, and that's a lot of fun.
#43 Zathris Aug 04, 2012 23:51:55	I'm having trouble understanding why there is all of this hate for the artificer class. Magic weapon is an incredible at will if you are clever with character postioning, and their non combat abilities are all very useful. What sold me on the class is being able to play a dwarf with magicaly returning mundane thowing hammers. The problem is Magic Weapon is all that it really has going for it. Its other at-will powers are lacking, it has a few decent powers here and there, but most effective artificers will have more or less the same powers. Its pretty cool at level 1, but just doesnt get the OOMPH other leaders get at higher levels in terms of leading. Same can be said about your throwing hammer. Thats cool, but he'll want magic throwing hammers soon enough, making the feature moot. We had one in the party for like 15 levels. She was cool in that she did decent damage and had some nice gimmicks, but then we got a cleric after she left and it was a whole different game.   Ummm. There's nothing that allows mundane throwing hammers to return to you as an Artificer. Regardless, if a Cleric managed to out perform an Artificer that had reached paragon, the Artificer wasn't playing right; they are almost outright superior to the Cleric except one or two levels of Daily Powers (5 and 9 are not Great for the Artificer) and an area that doesn't matter (raw healing potential).
#44 salla Aug 05, 2012 2:48:39	Ummm. There's nothing that allows mundane throwing hammers to return to you as an Artificer. "Some artificer powers have the weapon keyword and often require a ranged weapon. If the ranged weapon fires ammunition, the ammunition carries the power’s effect. Otherwise, the weapon carries the effect. When the attack is made, a mundane weapon returns to the artificer like a magic thrown weapon does." --Artificer class description.
#45 Pashalik_Mons Aug 05, 2012 6:59:29	I truly like Swordmages and Warlocks/Hexblades.  Bards and Artificers are okay, too.  I kinda feel like 4e dropped the ball on Sorcerers and their stuff got eaten by Wizards, but I'm far from only liking Wizards.