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Does this monk look right to you?

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#1
sundance8503
May 03, 2008 15:10:46 I need some help! I will set up a base character, a large gold dragon, and I could use any help from anyone here who can give me an idea of how this would work.

Dragon Monk level 4

He has a STR of 46 or a +18

His BAB looks like this:
+31/+26/+21

While wearing his +5 Amulet of Mighty Fists, his to hit is:
+36/+31/+26

Now, let’s also say he takes these feats – Two weapon fighting, Improved two weapon fighting, Multiattack and Improved Multiattack.

So this how he would fight round by round:

He would first get his Flurry of blows (he gets a -2 for Flurrying)

+34/+34/+29/+24 (he would be using other parts of his body and not his ‘fists’ so he can still claw later on)

Then he would get his:

Bite +34
2 wings +34/+34
1 tail +34

As for the claw attacks he would Two Weapon Fight for: (the DM allows you to use natural weapons for Two Weapon fighting, so the dragon can divide up his claw attacks)

First Claw
+34/+29/+24

Second Claw
+34/+29

For a grand total of – 13 Attacks a round

Does this sound right to you guys? I could use all the help tweaking it so this is ‘by the rules’ playable. As far as I can see it looks right…but you know how the rules are

Any advice would be great

D
#2
lurk3r
May 03, 2008 22:44:41 Ok, from the looks of it you're doing a full 20 level build, since that would be the ECL of a very young gold dragon monk 4. Your usage of TWF looks right. I don't think you get that many attacks though, as I remember seeing somewhere that if you use natural attacks you do not get additional attacks from high BAB.

I would highly recommend posting in the CharOp boards if you want to tweak this, as the people there know the most about this stuff. As far as the rules with your various attacks go, I really can't say - unarmed strike + multiweapon fighting + natural attacks = tricky business. Might want to go to the DM Rules Counseling forum for that one.
#3
runestar
May 03, 2008 23:26:58 The FAQ does mention something about allowing you to first attack with all your unarmed strikes, followed by your natural attacks as secondary attacks.

Your str seems a lot on the high side (base18, +10dragon, +5inherent, +6enhancement, +1 stat boost gives my 40 at best). But otherwise, the math seems correct.

Your DM rule about TWFing with claws seems vague, but if the end result is to let you make iterative attacks with them, then everything seems in order.

What sort of tweaking do you have in mind? One issue is that you appear to have problems overcoming dr, which means that any sort of dr is going to apply up to 13 times against you. You are also very dependent on full attack routines. Too dependent for my liking though. Not to mention that all those attacks you are rolling are sure to bog down the game.

I guess a trip to the CO boards might be in order.:P
#4
sundance8503
May 03, 2008 23:38:53 Thank goodness! I finally get this monk stuff...

As for the STR I have:

18 from stat
10 from Dragon Stat
5 inherent
4 from a gauntlet from the Draconomicon
6 from Belt of Ogre STR
3 from level ups.

As far as I add it up...it's 46...I use heroforge for the calcs.

The DM is letting me treat the claws as each it's own weapon, so I can TWF with them or my wings as well.

As for the OP boards, they do some twisted stuff with characters and I want this as basic as I can for now. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't adding too many attacks

D
#5
crimsondeath
May 04, 2008 0:27:32 The Dragonfang Gauntlets and Belt of Giant Strength both grant Enhancement bonuses to Strength. They overlap. So, take 4 off your Strength.

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#1 sundance8503 May 03, 2008 15:10:46	I need some help! I will set up a base character, a large gold dragon, and I could use any help from anyone here who can give me an idea of how this would work. Dragon Monk level 4 He has a STR of 46 or a +18 His BAB looks like this: +31/+26/+21 While wearing his +5 Amulet of Mighty Fists, his to hit is: +36/+31/+26 Now, let’s also say he takes these feats – Two weapon fighting, Improved two weapon fighting, Multiattack and Improved Multiattack. So this how he would fight round by round: He would first get his Flurry of blows (he gets a -2 for Flurrying) +34/+34/+29/+24 (he would be using other parts of his body and not his ‘fists’ so he can still claw later on) Then he would get his: Bite +34 2 wings +34/+34 1 tail +34 As for the claw attacks he would Two Weapon Fight for: (the DM allows you to use natural weapons for Two Weapon fighting, so the dragon can divide up his claw attacks) First Claw +34/+29/+24 Second Claw +34/+29 For a grand total of – 13 Attacks a round Does this sound right to you guys? I could use all the help tweaking it so this is ‘by the rules’ playable. As far as I can see it looks right…but you know how the rules are Any advice would be great D
#2 lurk3r May 03, 2008 22:44:41	Ok, from the looks of it you're doing a full 20 level build, since that would be the ECL of a very young gold dragon monk 4. Your usage of TWF looks right. I don't think you get that many attacks though, as I remember seeing somewhere that if you use natural attacks you do not get additional attacks from high BAB. I would highly recommend posting in the CharOp boards if you want to tweak this, as the people there know the most about this stuff. As far as the rules with your various attacks go, I really can't say - unarmed strike + multiweapon fighting + natural attacks = tricky business. Might want to go to the DM Rules Counseling forum for that one.
#3 runestar May 03, 2008 23:26:58	The FAQ does mention something about allowing you to first attack with all your unarmed strikes, followed by your natural attacks as secondary attacks. Your str seems a lot on the high side (base18, +10dragon, +5inherent, +6enhancement, +1 stat boost gives my 40 at best). But otherwise, the math seems correct. Your DM rule about TWFing with claws seems vague, but if the end result is to let you make iterative attacks with them, then everything seems in order. What sort of tweaking do you have in mind? One issue is that you appear to have problems overcoming dr, which means that any sort of dr is going to apply up to 13 times against you. You are also very dependent on full attack routines. Too dependent for my liking though. Not to mention that all those attacks you are rolling are sure to bog down the game. I guess a trip to the CO boards might be in order.:P
#4 sundance8503 May 03, 2008 23:38:53	Thank goodness! I finally get this monk stuff... As for the STR I have: 18 from stat 10 from Dragon Stat 5 inherent 4 from a gauntlet from the Draconomicon 6 from Belt of Ogre STR 3 from level ups. As far as I add it up...it's 46...I use heroforge for the calcs. The DM is letting me treat the claws as each it's own weapon, so I can TWF with them or my wings as well. As for the OP boards, they do some twisted stuff with characters and I want this as basic as I can for now. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't adding too many attacks D
#5 crimsondeath May 04, 2008 0:27:32	The Dragonfang Gauntlets and Belt of Giant Strength both grant Enhancement bonuses to Strength. They overlap. So, take 4 off your Strength.