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| #1RhadielOct 21, 2013 0:42:28 | Simple question, is dragon poo flammable?
As the warden in my group, I wanted to know if dragon poo is flammable, so that I'll be able to use it as torch fuel or for setting uncollaborative wooden doors on fire.
Needless to say, DM was speechless |
| #2Beldak_SerpenthelmOct 21, 2013 5:20:58 | The only reason why it can't be is if the DM judges player creativity on whether The Man (either himself or some for-profit writer in California) thought of it first. Go for it! |
| #3thespaceinvaderOct 21, 2013 5:36:52 | Sure, why not. |
| #4CentauriOct 21, 2013 10:29:17 | Yes. And.... |
| #5DaBeerdsOct 21, 2013 15:47:20 | Sure it is, but it will make one hell of a stink |
| #6KishriOct 21, 2013 20:08:48 | Careful! if it's tightly packed enough, it might explode! |
| #7RhadielOct 21, 2013 23:46:07 | Thanks, guys!
Now the DM can have the Fire Mage critical miss and light me on fire! Woo! |
| #8WinterleafOct 22, 2013 0:56:30 | I wonder how well dragons smell, and what they might think of a mere human using their excretions.... |
| #9CentauriOct 22, 2013 9:51:48 | Dragon droppings are also called fewmets. |
| #10thadianOct 27, 2013 23:14:35 | In the movie and book The Tenth Kingdom, dragon droppings are magical and if you eat one it gives you wishes.
Hungry? |
| #11PrimeSonicOct 28, 2013 10:39:32 | There's nothing I can contribute that hasn't already been said. I'm just really happen a question like this has been asked.
Truly it signifies the spirit we all wish we had more of in the game.
"Is dragon poo flammable?" I'm writting that one down. |
| #12Mad_JackOct 28, 2013 18:40:21 |
Any sort of animal excrement is flamable when dried.
I actually had to explain to one of my parties that, sure, dragon excrement is flammable, but no, it isn't highly explosive, even if the biological explanation of how dragons breath fire in Reign of Fire seems perfectly reasonable...
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| #13Beldak_SerpenthelmOct 28, 2013 19:14:55 |
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| #14KishriOct 28, 2013 20:27:44 | Mad Jack, can I see the real world abstracts on the research concerning the explosiveness of compressed dragon excrement?
I would say whether dragon poo goes boom (or even burns) or not is up to each individual campaign. Frankly, I like the idea of it exploding when properly prepared since the hassles of getting the material probably outweighs the benefits. |
| #15thadianOct 28, 2013 21:22:28 | In retrospect, the one factor for me would be theme. Is this a game where we go around splattering poo all over the place to light on fire? I wouldn't want to play that game. Otherwise, "just for this battle", I would allow it. The only restriction is, I would let players know, in an out of game voice, that this tactic will "work as desired however please don't make it a theme because this isn't the flamming poo fighters" setting. |
| #16Mad_JackOct 29, 2013 15:25:22 |
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| (Reply to #16)Kishri | If exploding dragon poo is enough to derail or destroy such a "serious" campaign, that campaign had issues long before the dragon took a dump.
As I said above, I am with Mad Jack that such a ruling would depend upon the campaign, though, to be honest, even in a serious game, such a diversion could still be fun. It is a long journey to go from an idea (does Dragon poo ignite) to "GTA:Eberron." Frankly, if the game devolved into GTA:Eberron just from the addition of explosive dragon poo, that would indicate an underlying problem with the players (and DM) and/or the campaign.
Personally, in my game, should a player want the stuff to go boom, I would determine just what it takes for it to go boom and just how big of a boom it does. The trick here is to simply not make the boom on the level of a nuclear warhead. Make it like a half baked fireball or such. That way, it works, but should it happen again, it isn't a game breaker. Given that other incendiaries and explosive spells abound in most campaigns, the dragon poo is no big deal, and the normal explosives don't involve trying to pick up after a hostile, firebreathing, character eating creature with lethal heartburn, the chance that dragon poo becomes the grenade of choice is very slim.
Now for the truly "evil" question: If a dragon's poo is flamable and possibly explosive, what about my Dragonborn character's poo? |
| #18Beldak_SerpenthelmOct 30, 2013 7:06:46 |
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| #19PrimeSonicOct 30, 2013 9:43:27 |
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| #20CentauriOct 30, 2013 9:53:57 |
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| #21Mad_JackOct 30, 2013 16:55:06 |
Okay, here's the deal, before everybody goes all Dr. Phil and starts holding hands, singing kumbaya and assuming I'm somehow making worldwide declarations for other peoples' games or oppressing my players... The players asked to run a serious adventure. They asked me to run it for them - and to keep them all on track, because everyone in that group (despite being "adults") had about as much focus and discipline as a goldfish with ADHD and they were too lazy to DM themselves. Any time they did try to run a campaign, serious or otherwise, they invariably ended up burning their own worlds to the ground because the first time someone lost focus they'd all devolve en masse into eight-year-olds and start setting fire to the corpses of the innocent townsfolk killed during the goblin raid. I told them straight up they couldn't be serious to save their lives, and we all knew it. But they whined and begged for me to run an adventure, since there was no game if I wasn't running it. So I ran the game, and, gasp, oh noes, I told them no they can't do that... A number of times. And I kept them on track long enough to finish the adventure in a serious fashion. And the players enjoyed it.
As for the explanation behind non-exploding dragon excrement, by the "rules" set up in the movie they were referencing, their idea wouldn't work. The two players attempting to extrapolate (against the desires of the other three not interested in derailing the game at that moment) that dragon poo was highly explosive were using the logic that the two substances the dragon excretes to breathe fire would accumulate in its saliva and be swallowed, thus accumulating in its excrement. However, those two chemicals combust on contact with air when mixed, so even if there was more than a miniscule amount of them mixing with the dragon's saliva and being swallowed the air in the dragon's digestive system would ignite them inside the dragon. Or, if there's insufficient oxygen inside the dragon's digestive system, then the excrement combusts immediately upon leaving the dragon. So I told them their idea wouldn't work by their own logic and reminded them that they wanted to play a serious game.
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| #22CentauriOct 30, 2013 20:59:28 | Any approach can work, with buy-in. |
| (Reply to #21)Kishri | Ah, I see. I thought the OP was simply making a joke thread. Was the OP in your Game? If so, I can see why we posters have touched a nerve. Frankly, until your new post here, I thought the initial posts and yours were unrelated.
As I said multiple times before, the answer depends on the game, and in your case, your ruling makes sense. Your players asked to for a serious campaign and they used the poo to violate the general agreement between you and them.
My apologies, for I truly thought we were discussing a hypothetical, and my responses were based off of what I would do. When I said, "Careful, it might explode" in my first post in this thread, you must understand there was no campaign or game attached to the question at all, let alone yours. I simply joked that it could be and it was pretty much up to the particular gaming group in question.
As far as saying "no" goes, I have no problem with it either as player or DM. I just ask for fairness, consistancy and that the DM makes it fun.
I guess I was right about a group having issues should something so trivial as exploding poo should derail it. Your first paragraph proves what I said, for you are pretty harsh on them yourself. I have had a couple groups like you describe and it is frustrating. The trick is to find out what they want, and that isn't easy as they themselves often don't know what they want. Often, it is up to the DM to "run something good." The patent advice of "Ask the players" often doesn't work in this case, for even if they agreed to something in game 1, by game 3 they will have changed their minds-- that's assuming they knew what they wanted in the first place!
Lack of Focus, Flavor of the Month and such are really common issues in some circles. The way I defeated the issue was to run light hearted, short burst and episodic adventures and simply have fun with that. For the more serious games that I craved, I found another group that wanted a more serious style of play. |