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#1 Myztek Apr 30, 2009 15:36:58	I'm trying to figure out which races are being enjoyed the most and which classes are being enjoyed the most. If you've played a few different 4E characters for at least 3 sessions each, how would you rank them in terms of how much you enjoyed the class/race? Please do your best to factor out any enjoyment issues due from different DMs, adventure design, etc... and focus on which class did you enjoy playing from the perspective of fun mechanics and fun role playing qualities of the class. For example, I've played a dragonborn warlord for 4 sessions, a human paladin for 8 sessions, a dwarven invoker for 4 sessions, an orc fighter for 2 sessions and a human ranger for 1 session. I ignore the orc fighter and human ranger because I only played them twice, and I rank the others as: Dwarf Invoker > Human Paladin > Dragonborn Warlord
#2 oxybe Apr 30, 2009 15:52:56	well, the only characters i've played for any real time were: a human swordmage/wizard & a human fighter/warlock. i can't say one is better then the other. the fighter/warlock played differently from the swordmage/wizard. i guess i'll put the SM/Wiz as coming out in the lead as i played him longer? 2 "joke" characters i would like to make are: -Rock, Warforged LaserCleric of ioun, all dressed in blue with an armbow and swaps out to different holy symbols gained from fallen enemy clerics to gain different powers. -Pa'rappa, Longtooth Shifter monk (once PHB 3 comes out)/bard, who does joke raps while using capoeira to beat his opponents into submission.
#3 usecon77 Apr 30, 2009 16:02:37	Dragonborn Sorcerer > Human Cleric > Eladrin Wizard > Elf Ranger I usually like playing support characters the most, but the dragonborn sorcerer is so full of awesome that it totally outshines everything else I've played or seen played. On the other end of the spectrum, if you want to play a class that has extremely bland powers and no real versatility, my advice would be to play a ranger.
#4 matthewstryker Apr 30, 2009 18:04:53	Eladrin Wizard (Sword and Orb, bro) > Orc Barbarian (fast runner feat, charge speed of 16) > Dwarf Cleric
#5 tipop Apr 30, 2009 18:16:18	Eladrin Wizard (Sword and Orb, bro) Better yet, take the feat that lets you use the Longsword as any other implement... then go Sword (can be used as an Orb) + Staff in the other hand! Currently I am playing a Warforged battlerager fighter. In this campaign world, Warforged are not a race, but a group of automatons loosely based on the Golden Army of Hellboy fame (the battlerager template is to represent the near-indestructibility of the Golden Army). I am the only active one, and I was re-programmed by my creator to be a symbol of peace. The name, Graven Pax.
#6 malisteen Apr 30, 2009 18:20:29	Shadar Kai Taclord > Gnome Bard, although the class was a bigger factor in the preference then the race. Taclord is just awesome to play.
#7 Seeker95 Apr 30, 2009 18:50:38	I'm trying to figure out which races are being enjoyed the most and which classes are being enjoyed the most. 4e has returned to me the love I have had playing a straight-up dwarf fighter since 1982.
#8 williamhm75 Apr 30, 2009 23:31:20	Tiefling Dark Pact warlock for the win.
#9 Forgember May 01, 2009 2:30:21	I've been playing Dwarves mainly since 2E, loved em in 3 and 3.5 and was a bit miffed about the loss of Darkvision in 4E. My favorite class to play as a Dwarf throughout 3.x was Ranger. Ranger seemed to have a little bit of everything and still be fairly good, I loved the skills good attack/weapon options and the spells. Naturally the first Race class I try out in 4 is a Dwarven Ranger, I tried (really tried, four different builds including balanced, ranged, two weapon and beast for at least 4 sessions each) to get into it but for some reason it just wasn't the same. Ranger lacked the "pazaz" it had for me in 3.x, thinking its the loss of the divine magic. From there I shifted gears and tried out Wizard, I often played a Dwarven Sorc or Wizard in 3.x so I figured this might be an interesting test. Played a Dwarven Staff Wizard for 11 sessions and loved it, I highly recommend it to anyone interested in playing a Wizard. The game shifted DMs at that point and I decided to try out a Dwarven Paladin, still searching for the right class, the class that fills the hole left by Ranger. I went Str and Wis and it seemed alright except I noticed the lack of powers for a Str based Paladin, feeling discouraged I dropped Paladin thinking I could always come back to it when the powers where more fleshed out. Thinking I played that character 3 sessions maybe 4. After the Paladin I figured I would go back to the old mainstay and try out Fighter, did the Sword n Board thing and liked it a lot, its my opinion that Fighter just might be the best class in 4E, not my fav but probably the best overall class. After that I figured it might be time to really shake things up and play a different race. PH2 just came out so I figured I would give Barbarian a shot and chose Goliath as my race. This guy was a pure beast right out the gate, most damaging character I have played at levels 1 through 5. Still it wasn't what I was looking for and there was this nagging feeling a vital racial power was missing. All that time I had spent playing dwarves I really took that second wind as a minor action for granted, I found that I can't deal with second wind as a standard action. I am hopelessly addicted to minor actions second winds, which is really ok because I love dwarves anyway. So happily I made a new character, this time I was once again a proper dwarf and I took up the mantle of a Shaman as my party always seems to need a leader. I chose this class specifically because I felt it was lacking in the leader roll and as a class all together, also I wanted to try a leader. I found after several session that the class works just fine, Shaman is especially good at spreading healing around without sucking up all the players surges. I also found out that I hate leader powers or at least the ones that target only allies. This goes against all the stuff I have ever read about in fantasy books or D&D novels over the years, why would anyone have powers that only work on other people? I realize that D&D is more balanced to be a team effort now but powers that only work when someone else is around? I simply felt like a tool as a leader and don't think I will try it again in the past. Now of course I have come full circle and have made what I believe to be the character for me, a Dwarf Paladin. Paladin seems to be a lot of what Ranger was in 3.x. Versatile, tough, nice skills and a smattering of magic, all that and I can wear dwarven plate. I like the Defender role and I even like how Paladin isn't the greatest at that role. What I see in Paladin is a character that could walk down the street at night without the other party members if he had to. So for me its Dwarf/Paladin, ;) Just hope Divine Power fills some of the holes in the Str build.
#10 Ith May 01, 2009 3:02:32	So far in 4e I've played a Drow Rogue, a Shadar-Kai Avenger and a Gnome Wizard. I'd say I enjoyed the Avenger most, though the gnome hasn't gotten much playtime yet. I'm hoping to get to play my Elf Druid soon, as I really think I'll enjoy that. I kind of wish there were more wis/dex races to pick from though, so I'm not a big Elf fan.
#11 samyueru May 01, 2009 9:42:38	Longtooth Shifter Ranger. Awesome character.
#12 ultimate_cap May 01, 2009 10:03:52	Watching the game from a DM perspective, gotta love the the dwarf as a race. The dwarf cleric rocks, and like Forgemember above said, it's easy to take that second wind as a minor for granted. Also may have to agree with FMs comments about the fighter...they are SOOOOO well rounded now. Our Eladrin fighter is awsome. That fey step lets him get to the aid of someone quickly or get out of trouble quickly or even bypass obsticales to tie down the enemies and let his companions get past whatever said obsticle was. As far as from a players perspective...I am totally loving my Golaith Warden. Golaiths rock. Just love that ability to roll 2d20 (take the higher) for athletics related checks because it let's be really get into that aspect of role-playing the almost reckless nature of the goliath, without worrying to much about a single bad roll (though the risk is still there, and yes...has bitten me. Of course, we he fails at something like that, he just acts like that's what he intended all along, hee, hee). Also played a human warlord/rogue, and very much so enjoyed that as well. So for me....Goliath/Warden, gets the nod, though I do look forward to more oppotunities to play my warlord/rogue.
#13 Dareus May 01, 2009 10:06:36	Eladrin Tactical Warlord>Human Wizard=Half-Elf Valorous Bard>Gnome Chaos Sorcerer The warlord is just fun, shoot off a inspiring word, knights move to help out a friend, pop off an encounter or daily and AP so you can let your fighter friend finish off the fiend. Good times.
#14 stevem22 May 01, 2009 11:19:51	I'm trying to figure out which races are being enjoyed the most and which classes are being enjoyed the most. If you've played a few different 4E characters for at least 3 sessions each, how would you rank them in terms of how much you enjoyed the class/race? Please do your best to factor out any enjoyment issues due from different DMs, adventure design, etc... and focus on which class did you enjoy playing from the perspective of fun mechanics and fun role playing qualities of the class. For example, I've played a dragonborn warlord for 4 sessions, a human paladin for 8 sessions, a dwarven invoker for 4 sessions, an orc fighter for 2 sessions and a human ranger for 1 session. I ignore the orc fighter and human ranger because I only played them twice, and I rank the others as: Dwarf Invoker > Human Paladin > Dragonborn Warlord From a character building standpoint, 9 times out of 10 I thoroughly enjoy building humans. I'm addicted to the extra feat and the extra at-will. It took me alllllll the way to PH2 to finally start building other races. At this point I now enjoy the flavor of the gnomes quite a bit. The stat boosts of the half-orc, and I've finally come around to elves. In fact, this is probably the first time ever that I've built and considered playing an elf in D&D. As far as classes go, my favorites thus far are Fighters, Rogues and Avengers. All for wildly different reasons. I like how different fighters play in this edition. Their tactical capabilities are what hooked me on 4E completely. I like the flavor of the rogue, and pretty much always will. So I'm alway going to enjoy playing them. I like the mechanics and the flavor of Avengers and really am intrigued by how you can build an effective Avenger without ever wearing anything but cloth armor. It's really gotten in my head.
#15 lordofchaos000 May 01, 2009 11:42:29	Dragonborn warrior > Human warlord
#16 Kensan_Oni May 01, 2009 12:21:24	Let's see... I've played a Eladrin Spear Fighter/Wizard, a Gensai Assault Swordmage, a Halfling Rogue... and I have all these characters that I've not run yet. I am thinking of creating an Avenger of Pelor that is themed towards the Harvest Aspects, and I've been thinking about playing with Spellscars a bit, too.
#17 matthewstryker May 01, 2009 13:21:03	Better yet, take the feat that lets you use the Longsword as any other implement... then go Sword (can be used as an Orb) + Staff in the other hand! Then what will I do with all of my pewter figures? Everyone on this forum owns the same pewter figures. It's a wizard with a beard and he's holding an orb.
#18 Stuntman May 01, 2009 15:56:39	Better yet, take the feat that lets you use the Longsword as any other implement... then go Sword (can be used as an Orb) + Staff in the other hand! If you are referring to the Eladrin Sword Wizardry feat, you can use the longsword as an implement. However, you cannot gain the benefits of an orb feat or feature when using the longsword as an implement such as Orb of Imposition. This feat only allows you to gain the benefits of a wand feat or feature. If you have the Wand of Accuracy feature, you can use the longsword as an implement and gain the benefits of WoA. If you are an orb wizard, you will need to swap to an orb when using OoI. I have only DM'ed in the 4E games I have played. Amongst the 5 player characters in my group, I like them in the following order: Human Ranger-Wizard hybrid Rogue MC > Eladrin Rogue > Dragonborn Warlord > Human Tempest Fighter > Tiefling Warlock. If given a choice on which one to play, that would be the order I would choose them. The Ranger-Wizard/Rogue was played for only 1 session so far, but I just love the versatility of this particular character.
#19 salla May 01, 2009 21:30:34	Lessee ... first character was a Warforged Warlord. I've done a Gnoll Shielding Swordmage that was sadly part of a TPK, and a Longtooth Shifter Battle Cleric. Despite not playing him for very long, I'll put the Warlord first, just for the coolness, then the cleric, then the Swordmage.
#20 kitsunegami May 01, 2009 23:47:47	Here are the three characters I'm playing right now: * Shyui Arethusa - Eladrin Wild Mage * Farga Kneecleaver - Dwarf Tempest Fighter * "Vala" - Windsoul Shielding Swordmage I really enjoy all three of my characters equally. Which I like best mostly depends upon my attitude at the moment. Shyui's motto is "no problem is unsolvable to those with enough explosives" which makes her great for venting. She's also probably the one of the three that's the most fun to roleplay. Vala started out as a courier that worked primarily for the church of Pelor. She was commissioned to retrieve my cleric whose diplomatic skills were needed elsewhere (because we didn't need three leaders and it's apparently impossible to play a pacifist in D&D4e). She stayed on to help defend the party at the request of my cleric. Vala just recently decided to take her commitment to Pelor to the next level and multi-classed as a cleric. Farga was mentored by a half-elven traveling merchant (he traveled as her bodyguard for several years to repay her for his combat training) and picked up some of her skills. For example: we found several very dusty bottles of wine in a previously lost temple of Bahamut. Farga sold several bottles for ridiculously high prices by advertising them as "blessed by Bahamut". His con-man aspect is always entertaining. So to sum up: * Vala's my favorite most of the time (and the character I've had the longest -- since FRPG released). * Shyui's my favorite when I need to vent or just feel like blowing stuff up. * Farga's my favorite when I'm in a merchanty mood (which is often since I used to be an FLGS).
#21 kimby May 03, 2009 23:22:11	First Place: Minotaur Battlerager Fighter Second Place: Half-Elf Valor Bard Third Place: Gnoll Ranger
#22 bloodcircle May 05, 2009 21:13:40	All 3.5 characters 1st. Wyatt Galesong - Halfling Fighter 2nd. Cash Blackwell - Human Cleric/Fighter 3rd. Jurin - Human Cleric currently playing a catfolk ranger/ninja
#23 october_darkness May 05, 2009 22:02:46	I've only played 4th edition for 2 sessions, but I've gotta lay it down for my Dwarven Cleric. This guy is not only good in combat, but can lay some serious healing down (at 1st level). This is the first time that I've taken the dwarves seriously. Second Wind as a minor action, Stand your Ground, and Cast-Iron Stomach were features too good to pass up for me. It was between that, Eladrins, and Humans. So far I've created some backup characters which include a Minotaur Fighter, Drow Rogue, and a Doppelganger Rogue. The fighter is the most rounded, while the other two are for roleplaying flavor.
#24 kimby May 05, 2009 22:46:39	I've only played 4th edition for 2 sessions, but I've gotta lay it down for my Dwarven Cleric. This guy is not only good in combat, but can lay some serious healing down (at 1st level). This is the first time that I've taken the dwarves seriously. Second Wind as a minor action, Stand your Ground, and Cast-Iron Stomach were features too good to pass up for me. It was between that, Eladrins, and Humans. So far I've created some backup characters which include a Minotaur Fighter, Drow Rogue, and a Doppelganger Rogue. The fighter is the most rounded, while the other two are for roleplaying flavor. I've got a Dwarven Battlerager that rocks.
#25 october_darkness May 05, 2009 22:52:33	I've got a Dwarven Battlerager that rocks. Can you post his build?
#26 kimby May 06, 2009 9:22:32	Can you post his build? Starting Stats: S-16, Con-18, Dex-12, I-8, Wis-14, Cha-10 Feat: Dwarf Weapon Training Equipment: Graghammer, Heavy Shield, Chainmail, Adventurer's Kit. At 2nd level: Dwarf Stoneblood feat At 4th level: Improved Vigor feat and (+1 Str, +1 Con) At 6th level: Weapon Expertise (Hammers) Trained Skills: Endurance, Athletics and either Heal or Streetwise. Background: Balder's Gate (It's my personal choice) First Level powers: At-Will: Crushing Surge, Brash Strike Encounter: Steel Serpent Strike Daily: Lasting Threat At Second Level: Pass Forward (2nd Level Utility) At Third Level: Rhino Strike (3rd Level Encounter) At Fifth Level: Rain of Steel (5th Level Daily) At Sixth Level: Boundless Endurance (2nd Level Daily Utility) Recommened Magic Items: Dwarven Armor (Free Healing Surge), Iron Armbands of Power, Cloak of Survival, Boots of the Fencing Master, Viper Belt, Power Jewel, and a Vicious Graghammer. This build favors mobility. Pass Forward allows for better positioning. Rhino Strike lets him charge w/o taking OA's, even through a group of enemies. If he gets Boots of the Fencing Master, a mere shift ups his AC and Reflex defenses and the item power is an encounter power, which recharges after a short rest to be used again in the next encounter. The 16 Str may seem to make the Dwarf Battlerager a bit weak, but I've never encountered any major problems with it aside from rolling 1's and 2's for attack rolls, several times in a row. He's been a monster in several encounters where the temporary hit points stacked up and he just wore the monster down. In a few cases he was the last man standing and had to use an untrained Heal check to trigger everyone else's Second Wind. This is a very fun fighter to run, for me anyway. Good Luck!
#27 Darkwolf_Bloodsbane May 06, 2009 9:28:12	Eladrin TacLord - My favorite character currently. Halfling BravLord - Based on Kamina Eladrin Avenger Eladrin Swordmage. Note that these are REALLY close.
#28 That_Blasted_Somoflange May 06, 2009 9:54:32	So far I've really enjoyed the Elf Fighter I built. Wearing cloth armour, wielding a two handed sword (Think Valenar elf if you are familiar with Eberron). My AC was one point lower than the fighter in plate-mail using a two handed sword. I could run across the battlefield, and I hardly ever missed. Elven Accuracy is my FAVOURITE power in the game.
#29 RPJesus May 06, 2009 10:38:55	I've played a few Tiefling Warlords, a Tiefling Warlock (Fey Pact), a Razorclaw Shifter Druid, a Warforged Barbarian, and a Doppelganger Wizard. They're all pretty close in awesomeness, but I think I'd have to go with; Barbarian (Because I played him like a metal Kenpachi Zaraki :D) Druid (Because I could get 14 squares of movement with a move action if the right conditions were met) Wizard (Because I cast tenser's floating disk every day and road around in it) Warlock (Because I managed to bloody a miniboss in one turn) Warlord (Because I <3 Commanding Strike.)
#30 deja_vu_two May 06, 2009 14:19:39	Of the three characters I played I enjoyed my tiefling rogue, then tiefling warlock (infernal pact) both quite a bit, but I didn't really like playing my elf paladin. I was lucky that my DM let me switch characters from the pally when I wasn't enjoying it and so I made my warlock which I played whenever we did his campaign. Part of why I liked the class may also be because I actually liked the character. Both the rogue and warlock had a few interesting things about them story-wise, while I couldn't come up with anything for the paladin. razorclaw shifter barbarian is going to be my next character. That looks like it will be a fun one to play.
#31 koradzi May 06, 2009 22:36:07	I'm personally in love with either Dwarven or Half-Orcish Fighters. I think what does it for is is the various ways that you have of putting enemies into a no-win situation. My stance deals damage as long as you're standing next to me, but I get to smack you if you try to move away. You finally do get away, and I just blow Come and Get It and yank you right back in. Love it. Fighters also seem to get a lot of really nice synergy boosts from other classes. Extra attacks from the Warlord let me mark extra mobs - or the Bard can just mark 'em for me. Lots of fun with a Druid, too - especially when he starts putting effects on mobs that do damage to them unless they move. So, yeah. Good times.