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#1 shadowdragoon004 Jun 28, 2009 22:23:33	So, I'm creating a Dwarven Cleric who happens to be a very devoted brewer. Now, I looked around to try and find a deity that had a portfolio for beer or brewing or something of the kind, but I've come up dry. I thought the Dwarven panthenon would be the best place to look (since it's widely stated that Dwarven "holy water" is just moonshine...). But, yeah, I looked through the whole panthenon, and not a single deity gives a crap about brewing. Which is weird, since there's a deity out there for just about anything else I can think of. So, am I looking something over? Did I miss a deity? I'm really hoping there's one out there for my character. Can anyone help?
#2 haplo81 Jun 28, 2009 22:28:26	IIRC the dwarves created beer in imitation of Moradin's mighty thirst-quenching beverage, which he brewed after creating the dwarves to slake his parched throat.
#3 shadowdragoon004 Jun 28, 2009 22:30:56	Erm... okay... that's cool and everything, but doesn't really help at all. :|
#4 anubis_reynard Jun 28, 2009 22:32:08	Moradin, as god of both dwarves and creation, would be the natural diety of the dwarves favorite created beverage.
#5 haplo81 Jun 28, 2009 22:32:30	Erm... okay... that's cool and everything, but doesn't really help at all. :| Moradin invented beer. In absence of an actual beer god, he's your guy. BTW, here's the actual quote, from the Flagon of Ale Procurement in Dragon 369. Legend has it that Moradin was exhausted after putting the finishing touches on dwarves, so he took a break to invent a drink that could slake his enormous thirst and relax his tired mind. Unknown to the thirsty god when he stepped away from the forge, the dwarves he had left unattended looked on. They paid close attention to the ingredients and brewing method, committing the entire recipe to memory. When the dwarves were placed into creation for the first time, they immediately tried to reproduce the drink by divining a means to find the ingredients.
#6 shadowdragoon004 Jun 28, 2009 22:39:21	Ah, I see. Well, I suppose then it would be logical to pick Moradin. Thanks for the help, then.
#7 drackcove Jun 28, 2009 23:46:57	His name is Deichus Lord of Pubs! His clerics run the travelling taverens spreading the good "word" to every people.* *from my homebrew setting.
#8 salla Jun 28, 2009 23:49:36	I would have been surprised if there actually had been a god of anything so trivial as brewing.
#9 drackcove Jun 28, 2009 23:56:01	I would have been surprised if there actually had been a god of anything so trivial as brewing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus
#10 salla Jun 29, 2009 0:13:39	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus I know. I still can't believe they invented him.
#11 drackcove Jun 29, 2009 0:18:42	well he is also the god of hedonism and theatre
#12 mr_samedi Jun 29, 2009 5:31:23	I would have been surprised if there actually had been a god of anything so trivial as brewing. Trivial? You clearly have no idea how important intoxication is. It's the basis of entire religious movements!
#13 bigdaddykane Jun 29, 2009 6:54:15	Don't be a polytheistic hater! Clearly people in ancient times didn't think having Gods of Beer was trivial. http://www.socyberty.com/Folklore/10-Ancient-Gods-of-Beer.47169
#14 stogoe Jun 29, 2009 7:08:40	I would have been surprised if there actually had been a god of anything so trivial as brewing. In the greek pantheon, there's certainly a god in charge of each specific thing. It's almost like kami, actually. Not exactly, but you could draw parallels. I'd give it to Pelor, myself. You pray to the god of agriculture so your crops grow well. No grain, no beer.
#15 shadowdragoon004 Jun 29, 2009 11:17:38	Pelor's actually not a bad idea. Now, I see the Dwarven panthenon as being somewhat similar to the Norse panthenon. In ancient Norse culture, Valhalla (their afterlife) was quite specific in stating that there was all the mead one could ever drink. Booze was a big part of their life, and I'm fairly certain they had a god that presided over booze creation, as well. That's why I was surprised to not find one in the Dwarven panthenon. It's practically their lifeblood.
#16 cale_knight Jun 29, 2009 11:30:52	I would have been surprised if there actually had been a god of anything so trivial as brewing. Sir! You misrepresent the importance of brewing vis a vis the history of both man and the civilization of man!
#17 The_White_Sorcerer Jun 29, 2009 11:34:44	I'd suggest either Pelor, the god of agriculture, or Sehanine, the goddess of autumn.
#18 Vilnias_Nastavnik Jun 29, 2009 15:33:54	Behold the mighty Pabst! By just saying his holy name, grants you a +1 bonus against saves triggered by consuming ANYTHING. Holy Symbol- A green leaf pointing down with the letter "B" in the center Typical Followers- Bards, Fighters.... aw hell, anyone seen in a pub more than once in their lives! Channel Divinity- At Will- Cha vs Fort Repell any unwanted advances from an intoxicated subject, despite race or gender.
#19 erendor Jun 29, 2009 16:23:21	I would have been surprised if there actually had been a god of anything so trivial as brewing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursicinus_of_Saint-Ursanne ^The Roman Catholic Church has a patron saint whom you can invoke against stiff neck. Thought it seemed relevant :P. Also, there are patron saints for 'undertakers and thieves', 'pig-keepers', 'skaters', 'makers of images of the crucifix', and two for chimney-sweeps.
#20 Mad_Jack Jun 29, 2009 19:15:50	Brewing would be covered by the god of agriculture - beer was considered an important source of nutrition by early real-world peoples, a method of preserving their grain longer than they could if they just kept it in a shed or silo.
#21 philnicau Jun 29, 2009 19:38:12	Erathis-goddess of Invention & Civilisation. She supports the taming of the Wilderness (so you can grow grain to make Beer) Community-Taverns are often the centres of the local community Invention- New Brewing equipment and techniques. She's unaligned so she won't be overly judgemental about occasional abuses of beer.
#22 Shiftkitty Jun 29, 2009 20:58:53	I'd make the brewer entity some kind of lion. The golden mane, reminiscent of the golden draught, the "liquid courage" aspect of generous imbibing, And maybe the roar that sounds like...uh, well, you know. :embarrass-BUUUUURP! I'm thinking that, with the tendency to make dwarven names sound Nordic or Germanic (while slapping them with Scottish accents), partaking of the Lion's Brew* could even be a rite of passage. *Yes, I'm fondly remembering Lowenbrau...
#23 shadowdragoon004 Jun 29, 2009 22:19:05	Just for the sake of saying this, because I think I actually have to at this point, I am not looking for a homebrew deity. I'm trying to get some help figuring out which current deity would be the most likely candidate to have a portfolio of brewing or beer or something similar. I think I like the idea of a Harvest deity for it. I'm considering going with Frey (from the Deities and Demigods supplement). Granted, he's not a 4E deities as of yet, but his portfolio really wouldn't have to change much. But, if not him, then likely Pelor, the (new) god of Harvesting, as some people suggested.
#24 cale_knight Jun 30, 2009 0:25:18	If we're looking for historical reasons to back up your own, I actually wouldn't go with a god of the harvest. In ancient times, the only way to brew beer was to start with bread, not grain. That is, beer-brewing time didn't happen until the harvest was come and gone. My suggestion: Avandra, the Goddess of Change. Early cultures did in fact view the change from bread to beer as a mystical process and the earliest known beer recipe that we know of is ALSO a Sumerian prayer to their own goddess of brewing. If it were my campaign, I'd make Avandra's purview all alcoholic beverages, and have her priests and priestesses focus on the divine transmutative properties of fermentation and distillation. And of course you could play up the changes that take place within each individual person as they drink more and more. Another possibility would be Erathis, the Goddess of Civilization and Invention. There are some scholars who claim (though -mostly- in jest) that civilization rose not because of the ability to grow grain, but because of the invention of beer. We were leaving behind semi-wild patches of wheat and barley in our migration routes for thousands of years before we learned how to brew. You just stopped by the local patch, picked up your grain, and moved on. But once we learned how to make BEER, we had to create settlements because the process took too long and you had to stay in one place (you try fermenting beer in a jug on your back while you wander all over the place). That's probably not true, but what IS true is that beer is indelibly tied up in the history of our own civilization. So I could see Erathis being a contender. I think I like Avandra more, though.
#25 _jayne_cobb_ Jun 30, 2009 9:16:17	I would have been surprised if there actually had been a god of anything so trivial as brewing. This says nothing about the topic, but much about you.
#26 stealthmarmot Jun 30, 2009 17:28:00	Not a god, but the patron saint Budd the Wiser, philospher and creator of great brews. His angels take the form of 3 frogs. Really though, I would be seriously surprised if there wasn't a dwarven deity whose portfolio included brewing. There probably should be a few.
#27 yellowdingo Jul 01, 2009 5:03:17	So, I'm creating a Dwarven Cleric who happens to be a very devoted brewer. Now, I looked around to try and find a deity that had a portfolio for beer or brewing or something of the kind, but I've come up dry. I thought the Dwarven panthenon would be the best place to look (since it's widely stated that Dwarven "holy water" is just moonshine...). But, yeah, I looked through the whole panthenon, and not a single deity gives a crap about brewing. Which is weird, since there's a deity out there for just about anything else I can think of. So, am I looking something over? Did I miss a deity? I'm really hoping there's one out there for my character. Can anyone help? OPTION A: God/Goddess of Fertility & Agriculture. -Fruits, Grains, Harvests, Celebrations with Fermetations. OPTION B: God/Goddess of Decay. -Rotting/fermentation of Produce and the corruption of civilization through Alcoholism.
#28 shadowdragoon004 Jul 01, 2009 23:45:41	OPTION A: God/Goddess of Fertility & Agriculture. -Fruits, Grains, Harvests, Celebrations with Fermetations. OPTION B: God/Goddess of Decay. -Rotting/fermentation of Produce and the corruption of civilization through Alcoholism. Well, since he's Lawful Good, I'm gonna say Option A...
#29 Sabin_Stargem Jul 02, 2009 6:27:09	Yo, I think I found what you are looking for. It seems like the Races of Stone supplement has a Lesser Deity called Hanseath, an rather festive fellow who happens to have a beer mug for his symbol. He likes fun stuff, but is rather aggressive too. While not focused on solely beer, I think he gets fairly close to what you are looking for. http://www.lby3.com/dnd/index.php/Hanseath