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#1
sgath
Feb 13, 2009 20:24:32 My friend and I was finally able to get into a 4e game :D The other 2 players that will be joining us have decided to play the following:
Dwarven Fighter- focusing on a great axe, more offense less defense.
Halfling Rogue - standard rogue, uses crossbows and daggers.

My question is, since there will only be the 4 of us, what 2 classes would help out the group the most? I know healing would be needed, but I am not sure if a cleric, or pally would be better for this group.

I appreciate any help or advice you could give us.
#2
johnnii
Feb 13, 2009 20:32:46 The Warlord has the ability to heal, moreso than the paladin (who is a defender btw, and so isn't particularly good at healing overall). Since you already have 2 melee characters, I think that the Warlord will support these even better than the Cleric in general.

You're also gonna need a controller, which is only the Wizard for the moment unfortunately.
#3
Novacat
Feb 13, 2009 20:54:52
You're also gonna need a controller, which is only the Wizard for the moment unfortunately.

This is a falsehood. Controllers are probably the least "needed" character role. They should be fine without one.

I would recommend, actually, a ranged striker, such as an archery ranger or a warlock. While they don't synergize well with the warlord, there are advantages to having at least one ranged attacker in the party.
#4
dark_lambo
Feb 13, 2009 21:07:01 Define "standard" rogue.

Rogues are either melee-oriented, or range-oriented, regardless of if they can do a bit of the other situationally.

I'd say a 'standard' rogue is melee (standard as in typical from 2e to 3e (TWF rogues with multiple SAs FTW!)).

This means a tactical Warlord who can shift and thus set up the rogue would be awesome.

A second striker or defender would be nice. A shielding swordmage would be able to do minion control with an at-will as well as muck up enemy formations, as well as increase the survivability of the rest of the party would be good, I think.

Edit: Wow, that last sentence there is one long, rambling, run-on sentence. Eh, I'm too lazy to change it.
#5
johnnii
Feb 13, 2009 21:15:15
This is a falsehood. Controllers are probably the least "needed" character role. They should be fine without one.

I would recommend, actually, a ranged striker, such as an archery ranger or a warlock. While they don't synergize well with the warlord, there are advantages to having at least one ranged attacker in the party.

I worded it wrong I think. He was asking for 2 classes that that would be benefitting for the group, and seeing both leader and controller lacking the logical conclusion was that these two classes would fit the bill, but not being mandatory.

In my honest opinion, I haven't seen the need for any role or class. As long as a DM adjust encounters with the group composition in mind, as well as the group having good tactics, anything goes
#6
sgath
Feb 14, 2009 8:28:38
Define "standard" rogue.

Rogues are either melee-oriented, or range-oriented, regardless of if they can do a bit of the other situationally.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. The rogue is more range-oriented.

My friend has decided to play an archery ranger, so that leaves me to pick up any slack.

We are currently lvl 3, and the DM will allow me to play any class that is in the Character Builder or has been released through the Dragon "Preview" (Sorc, Druid, Warden, Shaman, and even the Avenger)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 sgath Feb 13, 2009 20:24:32	My friend and I was finally able to get into a 4e game :D The other 2 players that will be joining us have decided to play the following: Dwarven Fighter- focusing on a great axe, more offense less defense. Halfling Rogue - standard rogue, uses crossbows and daggers. My question is, since there will only be the 4 of us, what 2 classes would help out the group the most? I know healing would be needed, but I am not sure if a cleric, or pally would be better for this group. I appreciate any help or advice you could give us.
#2 johnnii Feb 13, 2009 20:32:46	The Warlord has the ability to heal, moreso than the paladin (who is a defender btw, and so isn't particularly good at healing overall). Since you already have 2 melee characters, I think that the Warlord will support these even better than the Cleric in general. You're also gonna need a controller, which is only the Wizard for the moment unfortunately.
#3 Novacat Feb 13, 2009 20:54:52	You're also gonna need a controller, which is only the Wizard for the moment unfortunately. This is a falsehood. Controllers are probably the least "needed" character role. They should be fine without one. I would recommend, actually, a ranged striker, such as an archery ranger or a warlock. While they don't synergize well with the warlord, there are advantages to having at least one ranged attacker in the party.
#4 dark_lambo Feb 13, 2009 21:07:01	Define "standard" rogue. Rogues are either melee-oriented, or range-oriented, regardless of if they can do a bit of the other situationally. I'd say a 'standard' rogue is melee (standard as in typical from 2e to 3e (TWF rogues with multiple SAs FTW!)). This means a tactical Warlord who can shift and thus set up the rogue would be awesome. A second striker or defender would be nice. A shielding swordmage would be able to do minion control with an at-will as well as muck up enemy formations, as well as increase the survivability of the rest of the party would be good, I think. Edit: Wow, that last sentence there is one long, rambling, run-on sentence. Eh, I'm too lazy to change it.
#5 johnnii Feb 13, 2009 21:15:15	This is a falsehood. Controllers are probably the least "needed" character role. They should be fine without one. I would recommend, actually, a ranged striker, such as an archery ranger or a warlock. While they don't synergize well with the warlord, there are advantages to having at least one ranged attacker in the party. I worded it wrong I think. He was asking for 2 classes that that would be benefitting for the group, and seeing both leader and controller lacking the logical conclusion was that these two classes would fit the bill, but not being mandatory. In my honest opinion, I haven't seen the need for any role or class. As long as a DM adjust encounters with the group composition in mind, as well as the group having good tactics, anything goes
#6 sgath Feb 14, 2009 8:28:38	Define "standard" rogue. Rogues are either melee-oriented, or range-oriented, regardless of if they can do a bit of the other situationally. Sorry, I should have been more specific. The rogue is more range-oriented. My friend has decided to play an archery ranger, so that leaves me to pick up any slack. We are currently lvl 3, and the DM will allow me to play any class that is in the Character Builder or has been released through the Dragon "Preview" (Sorc, Druid, Warden, Shaman, and even the Avenger)