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Half-Giant, Half-Dragon. Wings or no?

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#1
Adamaro23
Apr 30, 2008 3:39:20 Just a real quick question, If I were to make a Half-Dragon and used Half-Giant as the base race, would I have wings or not? I don't have my books on me at the current time, but I know you can be treated as large when it's advantageous to you (wings seem like an advantage), but I can't recall if it only applied to things such as bullrush, weilding weapons, etc...

I have a strong feeling that being Half-Giant does not grant you wings, but i'd appreciate it if someone could provide me with a positive answer. Thanks .
#2
axisell
Apr 30, 2008 4:05:20 despite calculating many bonuses as a large creature and even being able to apply for some large size requirment feats, a half-giant's powerful build feature still leaves him as a medium creature, unless when you work it out with your DM he/she says you have the thumbs up on it. if not, get yourself races of the dragon to get the dragon wings feat
#3
evil_dm_mk3
Apr 30, 2008 10:32:14 As I understand the Rules As Written, NO. You are medium and treat a very few things as if you are large. Templates are not on that list.
#4
Kobold_Avenger
Apr 30, 2008 12:07:14 I thought powerful build made you count as one size larger is it was an advantage to do so.
#5
Edymnion
Apr 30, 2008 12:34:37 Regardless, they've said that templates that can grant wings have taken that into account in their LA. It assumes you have the wings, and charges you for them appropriately. We know from the Winged template that wings along is pretty much worth LA +1. IMO, if you don't give him wings, you should reduce the LA of the template by 1.
#6
Fireclave
Apr 30, 2008 12:36:52
I thought powerful build made you count as one size larger is it was an advantage to do so.

That line refers only for opposed checks.

Powerful Build: The physical stature of half-giants lets them function in many ways as if they were one size category larger.

Whenever a half-giant is subject to a size modifier or special size modifier for an opposed check (such as during grapple checks, bull rush attempts, and trip attempts), the half-giant is treated as one size larger if doing so is advantageous to him. ...

#7
ppirilla
Apr 30, 2008 14:30:42 I would allow it were I the DM, but by the RAW, you technically do not get wings.
#8
mock26
May 01, 2008 0:09:40 Well, a half-dragon should have half as many wings. The only thing to then decide is which side to put it on, the left or the right. :D
#9
sinfire_titan
May 01, 2008 12:32:43 Half-Giants and Goliaths do not get wings from the Half-Dragon template.

Half-Minotaurs and Half-Ogres do, however.
#10
auspex7
May 01, 2008 12:53:17 sinfire ftw.

having said that... if you rolled a half-dragon half-giant in my game, i'd have you slain by a half-paladin half-ranger and his posse. favored enemy: dragon. favored enemy: giant. favored enemy: illegitimate children of monsters! stacking!

a quiver full of Arrows of Half-Dragon Half-Giant slaying!
a major artifact: Render of Halfbreeds. special purpose scimitar of You slaying.
major artifact number 2: Weapon of Off Hand! special purpose scimitar of Using in the Other Hand... for Drizz't clones.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Adamaro23 Apr 30, 2008 3:39:20	Just a real quick question, If I were to make a Half-Dragon and used Half-Giant as the base race, would I have wings or not? I don't have my books on me at the current time, but I know you can be treated as large when it's advantageous to you (wings seem like an advantage), but I can't recall if it only applied to things such as bullrush, weilding weapons, etc... I have a strong feeling that being Half-Giant does not grant you wings, but i'd appreciate it if someone could provide me with a positive answer. Thanks .
#2 axisell Apr 30, 2008 4:05:20	despite calculating many bonuses as a large creature and even being able to apply for some large size requirment feats, a half-giant's powerful build feature still leaves him as a medium creature, unless when you work it out with your DM he/she says you have the thumbs up on it. if not, get yourself races of the dragon to get the dragon wings feat
#3 evil_dm_mk3 Apr 30, 2008 10:32:14	As I understand the Rules As Written, NO. You are medium and treat a very few things as if you are large. Templates are not on that list.
#4 Kobold_Avenger Apr 30, 2008 12:07:14	I thought powerful build made you count as one size larger is it was an advantage to do so.
#5 Edymnion Apr 30, 2008 12:34:37	Regardless, they've said that templates that can grant wings have taken that into account in their LA. It assumes you have the wings, and charges you for them appropriately. We know from the Winged template that wings along is pretty much worth LA +1. IMO, if you don't give him wings, you should reduce the LA of the template by 1.
#6 Fireclave Apr 30, 2008 12:36:52	I thought powerful build made you count as one size larger is it was an advantage to do so. That line refers only for opposed checks. Powerful Build: The physical stature of half-giants lets them function in many ways as if they were one size category larger. Whenever a half-giant is subject to a size modifier or special size modifier for an opposed check (such as during grapple checks, bull rush attempts, and trip attempts), the half-giant is treated as one size larger if doing so is advantageous to him. ...
#7 ppirilla Apr 30, 2008 14:30:42	I would allow it were I the DM, but by the RAW, you technically do not get wings.
#8 mock26 May 01, 2008 0:09:40	Well, a half-dragon should have half as many wings. The only thing to then decide is which side to put it on, the left or the right. :D
#9 sinfire_titan May 01, 2008 12:32:43	Half-Giants and Goliaths do not get wings from the Half-Dragon template. Half-Minotaurs and Half-Ogres do, however.
#10 auspex7 May 01, 2008 12:53:17	sinfire ftw. having said that... if you rolled a half-dragon half-giant in my game, i'd have you slain by a half-paladin half-ranger and his posse. favored enemy: dragon. favored enemy: giant. favored enemy: illegitimate children of monsters! stacking! a quiver full of Arrows of Half-Dragon Half-Giant slaying! a major artifact: Render of Halfbreeds. special purpose scimitar of You slaying. major artifact number 2: Weapon of Off Hand! special purpose scimitar of Using in the Other Hand... for Drizz't clones.