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The group I'm in consists of 8 characters, large I know, but it's working out okay. All of us are right around 3rd level.
Human Shadowcaster - GM's daughter, not a bad gamer but gets upset if we don't acknowledge everything she says right away.
Human Barbarian (who thinks he's a paladin) - Great guy, really funny.
Human Paladin (who thinks she's a dwarf) - daughter of the barbarian player, fairly new to d&d but still is pretty good.
Human Cleric of Pelor - Wife of GM, great gamer.
Human Sorcerer - Alittle strange, but still a good guy. Trying to be a party buffer and door guard.
Teifling Ninja - My wife, but still a great gamer as well.
Human Sorcerer - My character.
Human Fighter - Sword and board style character.
Basically what is going on is my character has taken the Dragon Heritage feat and set it to Blue dragons, so I'm playing a lightning bug. My first couple of spells are the lesser lightning orb and color spray (I know not the A+ spells but they fit my character). With as large of a party as we have, and my init rolls sucking, I can normally only get one spell off before our melee people close in.
The fighter's player has decided to start in on my character because when we were fighting a Troll, I didn't have Ray of Enfeeblement or any fire type spells. I tried to explain to him that I only have access to a small number of spells and none of them were fire. He couldn't believe that I wouldn't have taken these specific spells.
He has come at my character other times for the same thing. The next session, after gaining a level but still only receiving a 0 level spell. He can't understand that I don't have Ray of Enfeeblement. It's like he doesn't realize that sorcs don't get spells as fast as this uber wizard that he claims he played before.
Now I know my spell selection is not the best choices, but they are the ones that fit my character concept the best. I plan to swap out color spray once it becomes useless for something else, but until then I like it.
The group I'm in consists of 8 characters, large I know, but it's working out okay. All of us are right around 3rd level.
Human Shadowcaster - GM's daughter, not a bad gamer but gets upset if we don't acknowledge everything she says right away.
Human Barbarian (who thinks he's a paladin) - Great guy, really funny.
Human Paladin (who thinks she's a dwarf) - daughter of the barbarian player, fairly new to d&d but still is pretty good.
Human Cleric of Pelor - Wife of GM, great gamer.
Human Sorcerer - Alittle strange, but still a good guy. Trying to be a party buffer and door guard.
Teifling Ninja - My wife, but still a great gamer as well.
Human Sorcerer - My character.
Human Fighter - Sword and board style character.
Basically what is going on is my character has taken the Dragon Heritage feat and set it to Blue dragons, so I'm playing a lightning bug. My first couple of spells are the lesser lightning orb and color spray (I know not the A+ spells but they fit my character). With as large of a party as we have, and my init rolls sucking, I can normally only get one spell off before our melee people close in.
The fighter's player has decided to start in on my character because when we were fighting a Troll, I didn't have Ray of Enfeeblement or any fire type spells. I tried to explain to him that I only have access to a small number of spells and none of them were fire. He couldn't believe that I wouldn't have taken these specific spells.
He has come at my character other times for the same thing. The next session, after gaining a level but still only receiving a 0 level spell. He can't understand that I don't have Ray of Enfeeblement. It's like he doesn't realize that sorcs don't get spells as fast as this uber wizard that he claims he played before.
Now I know my spell selection is not the best choices, but they are the ones that fit my character concept the best. I plan to swap out color spray once it becomes useless for something else, but until then I like it.
Ray of enfeeblement is far from a must-have spell. He's full of it there. Scorching ray is pretty handy though. The problem is that low level damage spells are pretty weak, especially the non-fire ones. You'd be stronger if you picked something else. But a lot of people pick the damage spells, so it's not like you're doing anything crazy bad. The guy's just being a ********, don't worry about it. Tell him to bring some alchemist fire next time or play another class if he wants fire, because you're a lightning mage and you're not bringing it.
Come 6th level you'll have lightning bolt, which is pretty handy. In the meantime you could consider some non-damage spells. Plus at high levels you'll be glad you have useful low level spells. Glitterdust is good against groups of enemies, and kinda sparkly like lightning.
In general, pick spells that you can use every session. Otherwise you can put it on a scroll if it might be useful someday, but don't put it on your spell list.
Just curious if this has happened to anyone else. I recently was finally able to get into a game and play a character I really enjoyed. I get my character okayed by the DM and start gaming. Within the first two session one of the other characters has started in on my character (not his character in game having a problem with mine, but the player having a problem with my character), going off how he sucks and is completely useless.More Info:
The group I'm in consists of 8 characters, large I know, but it's working out okay. All of us are right around 3rd level.
Human Shadowcaster - GM's daughter, not a bad gamer but gets upset if we don't acknowledge everything she says right away.
Human Barbarian (who thinks he's a paladin) - Great guy, really funny.
Human Paladin (who thinks she's a dwarf) - daughter of the barbarian player, fairly new to d&d but still is pretty good.
Human Cleric of Pelor - Wife of GM, great gamer.
Human Sorcerer - Alittle strange, but still a good guy. Trying to be a party buffer and door guard.
Teifling Ninja - My wife, but still a great gamer as well.
Human Sorcerer - My character.
Human Fighter - Sword and board style character.
Basically what is going on is my character has taken the Dragon Heritage feat and set it to Blue dragons, so I'm playing a lightning bug. My first couple of spells are the lesser lightning orb and color spray (I know not the A+ spells but they fit my character). With as large of a party as we have, and my init rolls sucking, I can normally only get one spell off before our melee people close in.
The fighter's player has decided to start in on my character because when we were fighting a Troll, I didn't have Ray of Enfeeblement or any fire type spells. I tried to explain to him that I only have access to a small number of spells and none of them were fire. He couldn't believe that I wouldn't have taken these specific spells.
He has come at my character other times for the same thing. The next session, after gaining a level but still only receiving a 0 level spell. He can't understand that I don't have Ray of Enfeeblement. It's like he doesn't realize that sorcs don't get spells as fast as this uber wizard that he claims he played before.
Now I know my spell selection is not the best choices, but they are the ones that fit my character concept the best. I plan to swap out color spray once it becomes useless for something else, but until then I like it.
Plus, why didn't he blame the other Sorceror?
The other sorc is doing some variant called a battle sorcerer (I think from Unearthed Arcana) and the only spell he knew was magic weapon. Basically I'm the only true spell caster of the party since the cleric is kinda occupied keeping 7 other people healthy.
I've tried to explain to him that there really is no reason for my character to take ray of enfeeblement since I prefer to zap things. The one thing I can't understand about his fighter is instead of focusing on one feat tree, he has taking the starting feat in about 3 different trees (dodge, power attack, and combat expertise). Now I know he has the feats to spare, but I just hope he knows what he's doing.
At the beginning of the day, the sorceror has more spells to choose from than the wizard. Unless you have 24 hours notice that you will fight a troll, the class issue is moot. So the only issues are your spell selection and his whining.
No, at the beginning of the day the Sorcerer has more spell slots available. The Wizard has more spells available.
I don't think that guy has a clue what he's doing. If your a fighter, you either A. Gotta be a Tripper or B. Heavily Focus on one weapon. He doesn't sound like doing either. And Battle Sorcerer is found here.
No, You forgot C. Be extremely focused on AC and HP. So you can tank the bad guys and live long enough for the heals.
Now I know everyone has their own rights and I really don't care what this person has to say, but it did drag on me a little in the beginning. So I was just kinda wondering what other people did with stuff like this. Oh and please no replies about hammerguns to the face or quitting. Where I live, this is the only game that is going on.
I just don't game with children, of any age...
I just don't game with children, of any age...
Unfortunately, most of us are college students or older. The only one who isn't is the GM's daughter. The fighter in question is probably in his mid 20's.
As for the roles of fighters, he might be going for C. He did make some comment about multi-classing into rogue. So really don't know he's trying to do, except for sneak damage.
Alternatively, since he's only played a wizard and wizards get all 0th level, more 1st level spells, and 2nd level spells by 3rd level, he doesn't understand the concept of spells known--just have him read that part of the PHB over and over until he gets it and stops complaining.
The note says:
"The Fighter dies."
It's not a thought, it's not a suggestion, it's a plan.
I just don't game with children, of any age...
So you've never played a game before?
(Sorry, it had to be said :D)
As for the fighter, get ray of enfeeblement, but maintain that you don't have it. The next time he goes off on you cast it on him and say something badass.
Next time he says something after that, say, "Hey, does anyone else here agree that his complaints are annoying? I'm trying to play my character here."
If it keeps up after that, your last option is to directly ask the DM, "Is the fighter getting penlized on XP , because of his metagaming? I want to play, but this is really.... *then look at the fighter guy* "I mean, shut your hole, dude. You don't like my character. We heard that multiple times. Nobody cares. Deal."
If that doesn't work, you need a different group, because nobody respects you.
Alternatively, tell the DM that the fighter guy needs to chill out about berating you as a player for having your character.
Good luck.
As for the fighter, get ray of enfeeblement, but maintain that you don't have it. The next time he goes off on you cast it on him and say something badass.
Something like "I just got ray of enfeeblement, but I must have hit you with a feeblemind a long time ago. And I don't mean the fighter."
I was playing a wizard in the group. The other players were more of the "powergamer" class (nothing wrong with that, btw). I, however, wanted to play a wizard who didn't throw fireballs. He studied. I aimed for the Loremaster prestige class. Lots of knowledge, lost languages, and some alchemy thrown in.
"Oh, no, you don't want to be a Loremaster." They're not powerful enough, they're restricted too much, you have to spend so many skill points on useless things that they're not worth it. That's an NPC class.
My response: "This is the character I'm playing. I suggest you get used to it."
If the player continues, it might be time to call him out in front of the group and the DM. Something like "Can I get a show of hands as to who gets to decide what type of character I play? Oh, just me!"
Bat's advice, and Etarnon's advice, these are the choices I would go with.
If one person has a Rogue, and the other has a Bard and the third has a Favored Soul, we make up a story to go with them all.
If we are playing Twilight:2000, and one has a female Polish Partisan, and the other has a Special forces Medic, and the third has an Australian Helo Pilot, we again, make up a story to encompass them all.
As a DM if someone said Yo, that class is too weak, I'd just state "he plays what he wants as long as it doesn't cause alignment conflict."
It's really a case of social dominance. That guy is trying to punk you out.
the problem with dealing with those types is, they don't leave themselves any flexibility, or room to save face when they get called on it.
It's just a case of he wasn't taught right by his parents to play well with others.
As for not having a fire spell, about your only choice at this point would've been Burning Hands, and you don't want both your level 1 spells to be 15' cones. (I'm guessing you didn't have Acid Splash as a cantrip either?)
There are a variety of responses you could try when the Fighter's player criticizes you. You could tell him that you'd like him to stop criticizing your character. You could ask him how he'd feel if you criticized his character (and demonstrate afterwards, if you like, up to and including his decision to use the Fighter class in the first place). Or you could ask him why he isn't playing a Sorcerer if he seems to know so much about spell selection.
Personally, I'd suggest trying your best to settle it out-of-character, man-to-man, between games, with nobody else around.
He should just shut up, beat the Troll unconscious with his little stick, and then if he complains that you can't finish it off, you can just pick up a tree branch, light it on fire, and kill the Troll in a very condescending fashion.
If he continues, you could always "accidentally" catch him in your Lightning Bolt once you get it.
Unless the Fighter has also taken an arcane spell casting class (which is probable if he plans on taking several feat trees anyway, making specialization impossible), technically speaking, his character doesn't know ray of enfeeblement, what it is, what it does, or even that it exists. it's called metagaming.
eh ... level one spell? Common? I'd probably let that one fall under the DC 10 'common knowledge' that lets you use a Knowledge check (Arcana, in this case) untrained.
eh ... level one spell? Common? I'd probably let that one fall under the DC 10 'common knowledge' that lets you use a Knowledge check (Arcana, in this case) untrained.
I'd also make him roll a DC 15 Profession (Massive Douche) before he could tell you how to play your character.
I'd also make him roll a DC 15 Profession (Massive Douche) before he could tell you how to play your character.
Nah, that's only like DC5.
The one thing I can't understand about his fighter is instead of focusing on one feat tree, he has taking the starting feat in about 3 different trees (dodge, power attack, and combat expertise). Now I know he has the feats to spare, but I just hope he knows what he's doing.
He could be setting up a shock trooper charger and just keeping it subtle for now. Karmic Strike requires Dodge and Combat Expertise and is great when your AC is in the gutter anyway from a heedless charge. Power Attack is, well, obvious.
The player's demands do sound fairly unreasonable though, he sounds like he needs an attitude adjustment.
eh ... level one spell? Common? I'd probably let that one fall under the DC 10 'common knowledge' that lets you use a Knowledge check (Arcana, in this case) untrained.
First-level spells ("common knowledge") require a trained-only Spellcraft check with a DC of 16. In other words, a fully-trained (4 ranks) Wizard of high intelligence (+3 Int) has a 40% chance of not even knowing what any given 1st-level spell looks like. That's assuming he can see the caster the whole time the spell is being cast, and not just the effects (in which case, the DC jumps to 21--with a 65% chance of failure).
Not what I'd call common knowledge by any means, least of all for a hand-to-hand combat specialist with no magical training or ability period.
Nah, that's only like DC5.
I think it is really more like DC 0.
The only time people have trouble with it is when they are asleep or unconscious (-10 to their Massive Douche check).
If he puts ranks into it though, there's practically no way to fail.
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I just don't game with children, of any age...
Unfortunately, most of us are college students or older. The only one who isn't is the GM's daughter. The fighter in question is probably in his mid 20's.
I think you missed what Kursk was implying...
In any event, I agree with Salla and Wheldrake: tell this guy - either bluntly or using some polite paraphrase out of respect for the DM & his daughter - to STFU. Then promptly put him on your /ignore list and pay him absolutely no further attention.
You make no mention of level here, but I'm guessing you just hit Character Level 2. General suck of Evocations aside, Lesser Lightning Orb is actually a decent choice for a low-level direct-damage spell. No save, bypasses Spell Resistance, decent damage, ranged touch attack - heck, it even works vs targets inside the area of an antimagic field! (barring DM house ruling) Color Spray is in fact one of the best low-level spells in the game. Affects all targets within the area of effect with no total HD cap (c.f., Sleep). Even at higher levels (and perhaps especially at higher levels) taking away even one opponent's ability to act for even a single round is a massive advantage to your party.
I won't ask what a low-level party was doing facing down a CR 5 troll...
I encourage you to be wary of becoming a one-trick pony. Taking several lightning-based spells is all well and good (extra points for making sure you have a ranged lightning-based spell!), but do remember that limiting yourself to a single energy type for direct-damage spells is never a good idea. Older dragons know that they don't get to be older dragons by simply relying on their natural energy types and immunities. You can bet that an adult blue will have some nasty tricks (c.f., Draconomicon) tucked away. You should do the same.
To be clear: play your character as smart as he is. Sure, he's no wizard with an INT of 16+ at Level 2 ... but it doesn't take a master alchemist to understand the value of mixing it up a bit. Even with a 10 in INT and WIS means your character is smart enough and clever enough to know that a flask of oil and a tindertwig will burn a troll just as efficiently as a fireball. You'd also know that acid [splash] leaves horrible wounds that take a long time to heal...
Overall, be true to your character and you won't go wrong. Sorcerers require a little bit of planning because of their limited daily spell selection, but so far you're doing fine. Kudos to you for remembering there's more to D&D than number-crunching character "optimization"!
Final parting word:
Sorcerers truly get the shaft in terms of class features. Thoughts on optimization aside, there really is absolutely no good reason NOT to begin following an arcane prestige class
I won't ask what a low-level party was doing facing down a CR 5 troll...
This was basically due to the fact we're running through some adventure designed for around 4 or 5 people and our group is running at 8 people strong. So the DM decided to up the challenge slightly.
KEY NOTE! set this up withthe GM so you do not say a thing, he will think it is just the GM being funny.)
When his sword and board goes into town and gets drunk, cast sleep from that scroll or two, (cast bards lullabye as well to increase the sleep DC by 4) you bought in town while he was flirting with the barmaid an hour ago(alcohol impedes saving throws if your GM is nice). Take all his GP from him and tip the barmaid heavily for her to say how generous he was with his tips last night. There is no reasonable answer IC to belive he didnt black out and blew all his money on booze. Later, when the fighter needs money, offer to pay for his needs (out of his own gold mind you) and he should be much nicer to you.
IC if he rags on you again about your spell choice, inform him you are a lightning mage, you chose fire as your prohibited element to choose from, later you will pick up some acid spells to deal with trolls next time they happen. IF he metagames and says that is not how it works, ask him to make a DC25 knowledge arcana check to know that IC.
Unless the DM has specifically set up the game world such that trolls are rare and/or unknown, the knowledge that fire and acid are the only ways to hurt them would be so common that I, as DM, would never require any type of Knowledge roll. Further, tales of sorcerers and/or other arcane casters appear to be something that would be very common knowledge. Presumably, the tales that the fighter remembers involve throwing fire around and sapping the opponent’s strength. Using specific spell names is simply a short-hand way for a player to describe what his character is saying. So, I do not see any metagaming going on with what knowledge the fighter may know about. His inability to acknowledge or understand the usefulness of Color Spray and your lightning spells nor the manner in which you gain more spells underscore his character’s minimal understanding of the arcane arts.
A character’s life often hinges upon his companions’ abilities. If someone is not pulling their weight, it is perfectly natural to call them out on it. Particularly after a hard fought battle against a troll, such calling out can be heated. It sounds as if the fighter has been pulling his weight and you still need to prove yourself. Knocking out a whole swath of enemies with Color Spray should go a long ways toward that.
A common fictional trope is two characters whom do not get along working together for the same goal to eventually develop mutual friendship and respect. Perhaps this could typify your sorcerer’s relationship with the fighter.
As an out of game matter, any social setting I have been a part of that involved men also involved a certain amount of jockeying for position in the pecking order. For a roleplaying game, this always involves japes and jabs at real and perceived weaknesses of other characters, dumb tactics, stupid speeches, etc. Unless your description significantly softened how vitriolic the exchange was, I see nothing wrong. Making fun of each other is what men do.
Just pre-print the STFU poster and hand it to him silently.
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IF people can post stuff like this I am going to keep saying P I S S in ever post.
IF people can post stuff like this I am going to keep saying P I S S in ever post.
All the Wizos are busy with cleaning up Mtg general.
All the Wizos are busy with cleaning up Mtg general.
Yeah , but that picture has been up for 2 days now and its going into it's 3rd day.
P.S. P I S S
Yeah , but that picture has been up for 2 days now and its going into it's 3rd day.
P.S. P I S S
Look at Mtg general. You'll see why. And lolz at up for 3 days.
All the Wizos are busy with cleaning up Mtg general.
Good lord, that's like trying to clean up /b/!
Good lord, that's like trying to clean up New Jersy!
Fixed.
P.S, I am from Jersy so its cool.
My response: "This is the character I'm playing. I suggest you get used to it."
This is the best advice, especially if he was making an OOC remark. If he was making an IC remark, then there's a different issue. I would assume that most characters would know that a troll is prone to fire, but your character would have had to known in advance to prepare for that. Since your character is focused on lightning, it makes perfect sense as to why your character wouldn't have it.
If he says something about it IC, you should just say "What you see is what you get, and although you may not like what you see, there's nothing you can really do to change that."
Fixed.
P.S, I am from Jersy so its cool.
New Jersey is sparkling clean in comparison to the hive of scum and villainy that is /b/.
"Dude. Play your character and I'll play mine."
"This is the character I want to play. I recommend getting used to it."
"DUDE! I got hit!! How come you didn't take the Dutiful Guardian feat? Your fighter sucks!"
"Mr. DM. Would you please ask this person to get off my back? I'm trying to play here."
I'd ask the DM's Wife, who it seems to me you respect (and I'm guessing your goofy companion does too), if she thinks your character is lame? Ask her right in front of him. Then when she (obviously) says, "No he's fine." Say to him the next time he crosses the bounderies, "I'm going to go with [Her] opinion," then change the subject.
"Um, dude. I'd like to ask you not to press me like that any more. Its not welcom and I don't like it."
Don't alter what you have in mind. He's a dice roller, you're a PLAYER. I wouldn't want him in my game, but I'd want you in mine. Keep it up. You're going great.
A) Sorcerers have slower spell progressions than wizards, and if you don't have Spell X yet, you're either prioritizing or you don't want it. Period.
B) Ray of Enfeeblement is okay. Not good, not great, okay. At 2nd level, you'd deal 1d6+2 Strength damage. Color Spray or Grease, on the other hand, have good chances of completely taking opponents out of the fight. Which would you rather have threatening you, a slightly weakened troll, or a troll lying flat on its back, unconscious or about to die?
C) If he wants you to Ray of Enfeeblement that badly, he can pay for an Eternal Wand of it for you.
D) He's not the caster here, you are. You don't tell him that he should get this feat or use this weapon, he doesn't reciprocate. Period.
If this doesn't work, buy an eternal wand of Heroics, grant the fighter Martial Study with some Tome of Battle maneuver, and then ask sweetly, "Oh, should I have bought a wand of ray of enfeeblement instead?"
Just this last game session I got to have some fun with the fighter. I had missed a session due to lack of communication so the rest of the group finished up an area that we were exploring while my wife's and my character gaurded the only entrance to the area.
After a couple of fights that the DM did to get us back up to speed, the ninja (my wife's character) was unconscious and I had taken some damage when the rest of the group came back. They found me munching on a bone (it had been alchemically treated to be addictive for several hours), so the conversation between me and the fighter went as such.
Fighter: I walk up and smack the sorcerer.
Me: Do you want to get shocked?
Fighter: You still have spells left!
Me (With a straight face): Try me.
He attempted one other remark later, but it was pretty much ignored.
As for the roles of fighters, he might be going for C. He did make some comment about multi-classing into rogue. So really don't know he's trying to do, except for sneak damage.
Tell him instead to focus on Power Attack damage because it's better. Do this everytime he mentions multiclassing, or even when he attacks without Power Attacking. When he finally gets sick of it and says "Stop telling me how to play my character!", simply say "Exactly."
Sadly, I feel the point would be lost on him. :P
I think it is bad, bad, advice to do ANY explaining to him of your choices, or for that matter, any aspects of your character at all...It opens the door for him to discuss it with you. It's like saying, "please, discuss my character with me so that we can together come up with the best possible idea".
No, the message you want to get across is: "I don't give a rat's patootie if my character is min maxed. I want to play something of my design, so HANDS OFF!"
Now, place both of your hands on his shoulders, and headbutt as hard as humanly possible.
If he remembers what you did to him after he gets out of the hospital, he'll probably keep his mouth shut next time, if he doesn't, hope that his concussion-induced amnesia will spawn a new personality that isn't a Favored Soul of Douche.
These suggestions for telling him that you feel he's crossing the line are fine, but you're probably going to get heckled by him for being sensitive. I'd suggest asking the DM to pause the game for a moment, take the Fighter outside, and ask him to close his eyes.
Now, place both of your hands on his shoulders, and headbutt as hard as humanly possible.
If he remembers what you did to him after he gets out of the hospital, he'll probably keep his mouth shut next time, if he doesn't, hope that his concussion-induced amnesia will spawn a new personality that isn't a Favored Soul of Douche.
I approve of this message. Alternatively, look into a martial art maneuver known as "plucking the peach". I guarantee he'll develop a phobia of you after just one use!
I approve of this message. Alternatively, look into a martial art maneuver known as "plucking the peach". I guarantee he'll develop a phobia of you after just one use!
Your listed Location makes it funnier.I approve of this message. Alternatively, look into a martial art maneuver known as "plucking the peach". I guarantee he'll develop a phobia of you after just one use!
ooo add shocking grasp to that, oh lightning mage.
Which usually leads to me shrugging, saying, "Trogg only have 8 Wisdom, Trogg not know what you talkin' about funny magic man," and rolling my attack.
the guy you are playing with sounds like a jerk, just do everything you can to avoid helping him and constantly cast rays when he is in base to base. btw reguardless of his douchitude it sounds like he is going for whirlwind attack (pre reqs dodge mobility spring attack and combat expertise). he probably just got side tracked w power attack or burned that spot before he saw the progression for whirlwind attack.
While whirlwind might sound cool: it really isn't wirth the feats. How often are you 100% surrounded?
At least the 3rd level Ranger spell that imitates Whirlwind lets you use both weapons (if TWFing) against each opponent.
This player doesn't respect you, plain and simple. Next time he says ANYTHING near what you have described to us turn to him, look him in the eye, and with out blinking say "you have 2 choices...roll up a sorc like the one you want played at this table and play it yourself, or never EVER bring this topic up again. Understand?" And don't look away till he does. You need to get your point across to him that this is what you; wanted too, and can, and will be playing, and he just has to be OK with it because that's all the option he has.
Bingo! Call him out man-to-man and let him know HE'S the problem.
You can do this with civility and you'll feel a lot better about it. Unless this guy is a true twit, he should respect your wishes.
Bingo! Call him out man-to-man and let him know HE'S the problem.
You can do this with civility and you'll feel a lot better about it. Unless this guy is a true twit, he should respect your wishes.
Just in case, bring two swords and keep them in the trunk of your car, and have a white glove in your pocket. Should he insult you further, tell him that you will not accept this insult to your honor, take the glove out of your pocket, throw it in his face, and tell him you shall meet him on the field of honor at dawn.
Then when he shows up, spray mace in his face and kick him in the nuts.
I approve of this message. Alternatively, look into a martial art maneuver known as "plucking the peach". I guarantee he'll develop a phobia of you after just one use!
Anyway, play your concept. There's nothing that says you have to min-max. All you're expected to do on that front is create a useful character who can survive adventuring--which you do as a role-player anyway, because how do you get to play out your character's story if he keeps dying, right?