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#1 grootvriend Aug 07, 2015 15:31:45	Short version; I want to defeat a powerful demon (Melashi), should sacrifice my life in the proces and want to transfer all my powers to my sister. Now I'm not that experience in D&D (play 4th) so I'm looking on angles to do this preferebly on a low level (currently lvl 8 warlock). Yeah I know, it's a lot to ask. The idea is that I've been working for this demon out of hatred and revenge but now I found out that the demon staged everything to get me to that point. I've already been told that I can become powerful enough to defeat him (I can become a deity) by freeing the souls of my siblings (19 in total). To keep it short, the two main problems I encounter with that is, I can probebly not bluff my way around the demon till I can become strong enough to kill him and my character has done a lot of evil and now I kinda sorte want to do the right but I can't really be forgiffen for the amount of innocents I killed. The best and most intresting sollution I can think of is that I take my revenge on the demon by sacrificing myself and then transfer my powers to someone else.  Does anyone have idea's what kind of things could help me achieve this? I was thinking something in the line of a powerful teleportation spell/trap to a place where the demon can't escape. Other things that come to mind is letting the demon absorb a soul that actually drains his power or in a way contain him with my own soul. Any idea's to defeat the demon and to transfer powers/soul etc to another are welcome. My DM is very cooperate so the power/soul transfer thing shouldn't be to difficult if I can come up with some 'logical' sollution.
#2 FabioBLK Aug 08, 2015 1:17:02	If you're in a pact with this demon (Melashi) I am going to assume that it is a demon lord, because it can grant spells. I'm not trying to burst your bubble, but as an 8th level character you have no hope against a demon lord, you're like an ant to it, an interesting ant, but an ant none the less. Killing yourself and hoping for some weird power transfer wouldn't help you. The power difference between you and a demon lord is still incredibly vast.
(Reply to #2) grootvriend	Yeah I figured it was wishful thinking. I still now fairly little about D&D but I figured that I need to be at least lvl 20 to stand a chance, probebly not even then. The dilema however is that I know have to deceive the demon that I'm still working for him while at the same time gathering the strength to stop him. I got good bluff but I doubt it will work for that long. O well, time to get back to the drawing table.
#4 FabioBLK Aug 08, 2015 1:15:53	Pretending to go along with the Demon Lord's wishes and decieving it is probably your best bet. Demon Lords while incredibly powerful are still fallible entities, they do not know everything. What you really don't want to do is to fight it. That will probably end with your soul getting devoured... At higher levels though, you will definitely stand a better chance.
#5 grootvriend Aug 08, 2015 2:43:15	Would there be a way to put a trap on my soul? That all the power gets removed, preferebly after a set of time? There's another group of demons that try to claim me and they're against Malashi. An option I'm thinking about is willingly give my soul to one of those demons so that they can fight Malashi but have the trap trigger after a set amount of time to extract the power from the demon. I got some very powerful allies so the trap, most likely ritual, is not depended on my own lvl.
#6 FabioBLK Aug 08, 2015 9:54:44	Ok I see, if you have high level wizards on your side that could be helpful. But I would say that letting your soul be consumed is way too big of a risk. Being consumed by a demon is different then lets say a devil torturing your soul for a 1000 years because you violated a contract. A demon consumes your soul and it ceases to exist, you become fuel. This is one reason why demons are so scary, they prevent you from having any sort of after life. Playing the other demons against Malashi is your best bet imo. Let them fight it out, then sick the wizards on the Victor.
#7 Beoric Aug 08, 2015 12:58:37	I'm not sure that it would be useful for me to respond as a player, because I would have to make too many assumptions about the campaign, so I am going to tell you how I would respond if I was your DM.   I am also going to assume that you are following the standard fluff resepcting 4e warlocks, that is, you actually draw your powers from your pact.   Assuming your current patron is a homebrewed one, and not a reference to the Paragon level demon named "Malachi", you have a long way to go before you challenge him directly.  That, and any quest to achieve immortality would at least take you into Epic tier, especially if you have 19 souls to free in the process.  So just getting tough and fighting him would not be a short-term option.   In the short term, I might drop a couple of competing hints or stories, and see which one you took.  Maybe one would be of a warlock known to have acted contrary to his partron's wishes, and who was rumored to have found a way to conceal his actions from his patron; while the other is of a warlock who succesfully changed patrons.  The intention would be for you to try to track down one of these guys to see if it was true, and how it was achieved.  Note that one of these options does exactly what you wre asking for above, but you still have the option of taking another path.   Once you found the deisred warlock and learned what you needed to do, you would then have to do it.  That would probably require finding some sort of arcane tome or pseudo artifact, maybe some materials compenents, etc.  In the case of a change of patron, it would also require you to find a new patron and convince him/her/it to take you on.    Now, if any of this interests you, and fits with the already established parameters of the campaign, as a player you could start seeking rumors of one of the two warlocks I suggested, and build yourself a couple of quests.  Seek out bards, sages, or other warlocks for a start.
#8 grootvriend Aug 08, 2015 14:20:35	Well I'm highly doubting that my character is respecting the standard 4e editon fluff because I got no clue what the standard fluff would be. Basically I started out with this idea of a guy who made a pact with a demon to save himself and now he ows the demon 100 souls (or mine). My initial idea was to use shadows and I liked the idea of changing forms so the dm helped me build a character that fit the discription, a changeling warlock. Funny thing is, the idea was that I was human and that the demon gave me the power to change form but now it actually turns out I really am a changeling. So the story I've just been told is that I'm from a large family of changelings which where born out of the death of a god. Whoever is the youngest (me) enherits all the powers from the others thus become the strongest of the family. That's why I can become a deity and why Melashi wants me in the first place. The thing is, Melashi might have tricked me but that doesn't make right that I sacrificed 30 souls for him including an infant. I don't think my character has a chance of a normal life, nor deserve it, and I doubt it's good that I become a deity. That's why I want to end my life and transfer my power to my youngest sister so that she get the chance to become a deity instead of me.  Maybe a good thing to add, defeating the demon and dying in the proces is what my character wants to do purely from a story perspective. For me as a player it would be totaly fine if he fails leaving his sister to find a way to defeat the demon, as long as the transfer of power has been done so that the demon can't absorb my powers.    I hope all that makes a bit of sense. Crazy story, I know, and it doesn't help that I know so little about D&D :p
#9 Delazar78 Sep 03, 2015 8:10:47	Ok, let's go Constantine on this.   Try to contact other Demon Lords, sell your soul to all of the them (an additional two or three should be enough)   Kill yourself... then watch the Demon Lords fight each other for your soul. Out of pride, they will not want to give it up, but at the same time they will realize that they're weakening themselves.   While your soul lingers eating popcorn, suggest that they just transfer your soul (and your powers) to your sister. Then they'll have a chance to try and corrupt her.   PS: When you kill yourself, and Malashi shows up, don't forget to say "Mal... what took you so long?"