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#1
gamer1268
Mar 25, 2009 12:35:19 I am looking to create a character whose goal is one day become a knight what do i need to build it?
#2
dragondeadite
Mar 25, 2009 12:40:41 A pen, some paper, and the PHB is a good start. ;) If you're looking for a class of "Knight" then I don't think it exists yet. However, you can pretty much pick any stand-up armor class and call yourself a knight with a good story line, or work with the DM and figure out a good story tie-in for it (Doing deeds for a king or queen, working for an order of Knights, that sort of thing).
#3
oxybe
Mar 25, 2009 12:44:16 if you want to be a Knight (class) i don't think we'll see one, at least from WotC.

if you're looking to be a knight (nobility), well that really depends on the setting. i would recommend asking your DM how he feels about PCs starting with titles and what the title itself entails, if he doesn't want you to start with it, he might allow you to gain the title trough in-game RP.
#4
Alex_
Mar 25, 2009 12:46:17 Knight as in the honorific title, should be easy enough to accomplish. A good classic sword wielding warrior clad in armor can be accomplished either via choosing a Fighter class and taking Armor Proficiency (Plate), or by taking the Paladin class and swearing alliegence to a particular church or order than any particular deity. Whatever class you choose, remember to be chivalrous in your actions and outlook.

Talk with your DM about your character's goals, and how you can cooperate to achieve them in game through roleplaying. Perhaps the DM can set you up so that your character is a noble loyal to an important NPC, and over the course of the campaign, as you quest for him or her, your deeds eventually earn you the title of Knight.

Edit: Ninja'ed
#5
matthewstryker
Mar 25, 2009 12:59:41
I am looking to create a character whose goal is one day become a knight what do i need to build it?

Legos.

You should start with any martial class.
#6
Novacat
Mar 25, 2009 13:03:46 The classes most likely to aspire to, or attain, knighthood are the Paladin, Fighter, Cleric, and Ranger, in that order.

As others have said, it depends largely on the setting. In my campaign setting, the terms "paladin" and "knight" are pretty much interchangeable. All knights have at least a little paladin training, and all paladins are taught to uphold the virtues of chivalry. Of course, being a knight doesn't mean quite the same thing in my setting as it did in medieval Europe. There are four major paladin orders:

• Paladins of the Darkened Eye are called Grey Knights.
• Paladins of the Golden Talon are called Gold Knights.
• Paladins of the Blue Phoenix are called Blue Knights.
• Paladins of the Severed Hand are called Blood Knights.
#7
ellorin
Mar 25, 2009 13:06:22
The classes most likely to aspire to, or attain, knighthood are the Paladin, Fighter, Cleric, and Ranger, in that order.

I think that the Warlord is another viable option, definitely more than the cleric and the ranger.
#8
mindstalker_dup
Mar 25, 2009 13:10:39
I think that the Warlord is another viable option, definitely more than the cleric and the ranger.

Considering one of their PHB1 paragon paths is 'knight-commander' ... I'd have to agree with this assessment. :D
#9
Novacat
Mar 25, 2009 14:31:05
I think that the Warlord is another viable option, definitely more than the cleric and the ranger.

D'oh! I knew I was forgetting something.

My new list, in order, is Warlord, Paladin, Fighter, Cleric, Ranger.
#10
KrashKow
Mar 25, 2009 14:57:53 The real question is what sort of knight you want the character to become...

A paragon of virtue with the Gods on his side? Paladin
A leader of men and inspirer of the people? Warlord
A stand up fighter able to hold the line? Fighter

If you ever played the old 16-bit side-scrolling beat'em up Knights of the Round, the break down would be like this...

Lancelot- Paladin
Arthuer- Warlord
Percival- Fighter
#11
n647
Mar 25, 2009 17:24:07 well I think that even before botheringwith paths class and all that, we need to know one thing...

what does knight means for you, and how you envision it
#12
Shiftkitty
Mar 25, 2009 17:38:07 Sir Elton John, Sir Paul McCartney,... hey! Even a bard could aspire to knighthood!
#13
Belorin
Mar 25, 2009 18:26:15 The classic knight went through three stages before becoming actual knights.
the first stage is Page, most eligible families sent their sons to Court for training in nobility, they were taught etiquette and performed menial labor around the palace.
During this process the knights of the realm would pick a likely lad to be hs Squire, this young man would then learn the knightly virtues while tending to the knights armor, weapons, and horse. He would travel with the knight till the knight felt him worthy, sometimes by giving the squire a task or quest to accomplish on his own.
Once this is accomplished the sponsoring knight or the King will Knight the candidate after a period of cleansing and purifying.
Of course there is really no way to do this all in the game, so the newly created knight PC should be a newly dubbed Knight on his first adventure.
Most Knights followed a code of some sort.
Code Of Chivalry

1. Noblity in Service
2. Death before Dishonor
3. Enterprise in obedience to rule
4. Respect for all worthy people
5. Honor all those above your station
6. Command Obedience through respect
7. Scorn those who are ignoble
8. Protect the innocent
9. punish the guilty
10. Courtesy to all ladies
11. Battle is the test of Manhood
12. Combat is Glory
13. Defend your charge unto death
14. War is the flowering of Chivalry
15. Death to all who oppose the cause
16. Arts are the food of the Chivalrous (especially music)
17. Anger blinds, a cool head will win the day

Other things to concider, Knights were almost invariably mounted, heavily armored and carried a shield, but not always.

Bel
#14
Crimson_Concerto
Mar 25, 2009 18:31:43 Any character can be knighted. Any race. Any class.
#15
apshai
Mar 25, 2009 18:39:41 The Knights Code of Chivalry and the vows of Knighthood
The Knights Code of Chivalry described in the Song of Roland and an excellent representation of the Knights Codes of Chivalry are as follows:

To fear God and maintain His Church

To serve the liege lord in valour and faith

To protect the weak and defenceless

To give succour to widows and orphans

To refrain from the wanton giving of offence

To live by honour and for glory

To despise pecuniary reward

To fight for the welfare of all

To obey those placed in authority

To guard the honour of fellow knights

To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit

To keep faith

At all times to speak the truth

To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun

To respect the honour of women

Never to refuse a challenge from an equal

Never to turn the back upon a foe

That's from a medieval song but an accurate list of an actual code.

Based on my interpretation...sounds like a paladin would be your best starting class and then add some background and dm involvement and you should have your wish. However, as mentioned any martial class could potentially earn this title through storyline/roleplay.
#16
m4kitsu
Mar 26, 2009 3:26:41
Grey Knights.

Blood Knights.

Hm...
#17
Novacat
Mar 26, 2009 7:39:25
Hm...

I don't play Warhammer, and I was unaware those terms were used in it.
#18
salla
Mar 26, 2009 10:14:12
The Knights Code of Chivalry and the vows of Knighthood
The Knights Code of Chivalry described in the Song of Roland and an excellent representation of the Knights Codes of Chivalry are as follows:

To fear God and maintain His Church

To serve the liege lord in valour and faith

To protect the weak and defenceless

To give succour to widows and orphans

To refrain from the wanton giving of offence

To live by honour and for glory

To despise pecuniary reward

To fight for the welfare of all

To obey those placed in authority

To guard the honour of fellow knights

To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit

To keep faith

At all times to speak the truth

To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun

To respect the honour of women

Never to refuse a challenge from an equal

Never to turn the back upon a foe

That's from a medieval song but an accurate list of an actual code.

Based on my interpretation...sounds like a paladin would be your best starting class and then add some background and dm involvement and you should have your wish. However, as mentioned any martial class could potentially earn this title through storyline/roleplay.

It would depend on a paladin of whom, though ... on the other hand, I don't really see anything on this list that requires a martial class of any sort. Is there a particular reason a wizard or rogue can't be a knight? It's just a social standing.
#19
luzeke
Mar 27, 2009 10:52:44
Is there a particular reason a wizard or rogue can't be a knight?

Not really. But I'd dare say that characters with those classes probably wouldn't want to be a knight in the first place.

A rogue could/would potentially break each and every one of these commandments at some point (depending on how it is played of course)

* To fear God and maintain His Church
* To serve the liege lord in valour and faith
* To protect the weak and defenceless
* To give succour to widows and orphans
* To refrain from the wanton giving of offence
* To live by honour and for glory
* To despise pecuniary reward
* To fight for the welfare of all
* To obey those placed in authority
* To guard the honour of fellow knights
* To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit
* To keep faith
* At all times to speak the truth
* To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun
* To respect the honour of women
* Never to refuse a challenge from an equal
* Never to turn the back upon a foe

A wizard would probably hate the idea of "fearing God and maintain His Church".
Of course a wizard could be religious (again, up to the player) but I just don't see it likely. I've always sen wizards as going "Gods?! Bah, Humbug!"
But that's just my biased opinion on the matter :D

The OP could go another route and make a character who calls himself knight without being knighted (maybe doing the whole Knight Errant thing). It fits the whole "wanting to become a knight" idea a little better. As long as you got the gear and act appropriately that would very well be enough to pass as a knight. When playing WHFR 2e my character had an ambition to become a Witch Hunter, and he got the gear and everything (which is actually a system requirement to advance to another career in the game) and acted as a Witch Hunter and actually got some Witch Hunter authority due to befriending an noble. He would have gotten full authority after his "training period" was over (ie meeting all the requirements)

I could see a similar scenario taking place for this player. Talk it through with your DM and you'll probably get it through (it's pretty much only flavor so why deny it? :P ).
#20
ciaran
Mar 27, 2009 18:34:24 Pick a class you find appropriate (Fighter, Paladin, Warlord, whatever) and talk to your DM about including some kind of story arc within his campaign. Your story arc would lead eventually to you being knighted by some monarch.
#21
Zherog
Mar 27, 2009 18:49:42 Lots of folks seem to be assuming 4e. Is that the system you play, gamer1268?
#22
Novacat
Mar 28, 2009 13:08:50
Lots of folks seem to be assuming 4e. Is that the system you play, gamer1268?

If we were to assume 3E, I would say that all the OP need do is start taking levels in the Knight class (which is horrible).
#23
chava
Mar 28, 2009 13:27:39 Actually in 3E, I would suggest a fighter, warblade, or crusader working for a lord that could knight him (assuming that he doesn't like the mechanics of the knight).

Hell, I'm playing a barbarian that is statted as a warblade/dragon shaman.
#24
salla
Mar 29, 2009 0:25:29
Not really. But I'd dare say that characters with those classes probably wouldn't want to be a knight in the first place.

A rogue could/would potentially break each and every one of these commandments at some point (depending on how it is played of course).

Stereotypically, perhaps, but any class (and race) can have any personality or goals. Rogue does not mean dishonorable, or thief, or anything like that.
#25
Novacat
Mar 29, 2009 11:20:48
Stereotypically, perhaps, but any class (and race) can have any personality or goals. Rogue does not mean dishonorable, or thief, or anything like that.

Rogue:

1: a dishonest or unprincipled man : you are a rogue and an embezzler.
• a person whose behavior one disapproves of but who is nonetheless likable or attractive (often used as a playful term of reproof): Cenzo, you old rogue!

2: a person or thing that behaves in an aberrant, faulty, or unpredictable way: he hacked into data and ran rogue programs.
#26
-stu
Mar 29, 2009 12:09:50 4E = Fighter or Paladin, but Warlord works best. Knights are generally commanders. Go into Knight Commander or Purple Dragon Knight (Forgotten Realms Players Guide)as your Paragon Path if your DM allows it.

3.X = Paladin (or any heavily armored class, but a Paladin works best) into the Cavalry Master Prestige Class (not sure on the name, but its in Complete Warrior, its big on mounted combat). My wife is currently working on this set-up in a game we both play in. Its set in Mystarra, shes from Karameikos.
#27
daidojitaidoru
Mar 29, 2009 12:35:17
Rogue:

1: a dishonest or unprincipled man : you are a rogue and an embezzler.
• a person whose behavior one disapproves of but who is nonetheless likable or attractive (often used as a playful term of reproof): Cenzo, you old rogue!

2: a person or thing that behaves in an aberrant, faulty, or unpredictable way: he hacked into data and ran rogue programs.

"3. A character class in D&D, given mechanical benefits such as sneak attack and evasion. There are no roleplaying requirements or restrictions attached to this class in any edition."

Which definition do you think we're using here on the D&D boards?

To the Op, ask the GM about knightly orders in your area of play and see if any are right for you. When you know their minimum standards of martial and magical ability, you can plan appropriately. Just avoid those 3.X classes that tell you how to RP and you should be able to meet the code of conduct easily.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 gamer1268 Mar 25, 2009 12:35:19	I am looking to create a character whose goal is one day become a knight what do i need to build it?
#2 dragondeadite Mar 25, 2009 12:40:41	A pen, some paper, and the PHB is a good start. ;) If you're looking for a class of "Knight" then I don't think it exists yet. However, you can pretty much pick any stand-up armor class and call yourself a knight with a good story line, or work with the DM and figure out a good story tie-in for it (Doing deeds for a king or queen, working for an order of Knights, that sort of thing).
#3 oxybe Mar 25, 2009 12:44:16	if you want to be a Knight (class) i don't think we'll see one, at least from WotC. if you're looking to be a knight (nobility), well that really depends on the setting. i would recommend asking your DM how he feels about PCs starting with titles and what the title itself entails, if he doesn't want you to start with it, he might allow you to gain the title trough in-game RP.
#4 Alex_ Mar 25, 2009 12:46:17	Knight as in the honorific title, should be easy enough to accomplish. A good classic sword wielding warrior clad in armor can be accomplished either via choosing a Fighter class and taking Armor Proficiency (Plate), or by taking the Paladin class and swearing alliegence to a particular church or order than any particular deity. Whatever class you choose, remember to be chivalrous in your actions and outlook. Talk with your DM about your character's goals, and how you can cooperate to achieve them in game through roleplaying. Perhaps the DM can set you up so that your character is a noble loyal to an important NPC, and over the course of the campaign, as you quest for him or her, your deeds eventually earn you the title of Knight. Edit: Ninja'ed
#5 matthewstryker Mar 25, 2009 12:59:41	I am looking to create a character whose goal is one day become a knight what do i need to build it? Legos. You should start with any martial class.
#6 Novacat Mar 25, 2009 13:03:46	The classes most likely to aspire to, or attain, knighthood are the Paladin, Fighter, Cleric, and Ranger, in that order. As others have said, it depends largely on the setting. In my campaign setting, the terms "paladin" and "knight" are pretty much interchangeable. All knights have at least a little paladin training, and all paladins are taught to uphold the virtues of chivalry. Of course, being a knight doesn't mean quite the same thing in my setting as it did in medieval Europe. There are four major paladin orders: • Paladins of the Darkened Eye are called Grey Knights. • Paladins of the Golden Talon are called Gold Knights. • Paladins of the Blue Phoenix are called Blue Knights. • Paladins of the Severed Hand are called Blood Knights.
#7 ellorin Mar 25, 2009 13:06:22	The classes most likely to aspire to, or attain, knighthood are the Paladin, Fighter, Cleric, and Ranger, in that order. I think that the Warlord is another viable option, definitely more than the cleric and the ranger.
#8 mindstalker_dup Mar 25, 2009 13:10:39	I think that the Warlord is another viable option, definitely more than the cleric and the ranger. Considering one of their PHB1 paragon paths is 'knight-commander' ... I'd have to agree with this assessment. :D
#9 Novacat Mar 25, 2009 14:31:05	I think that the Warlord is another viable option, definitely more than the cleric and the ranger. D'oh! I knew I was forgetting something. My new list, in order, is Warlord, Paladin, Fighter, Cleric, Ranger.
#10 KrashKow Mar 25, 2009 14:57:53	The real question is what sort of knight you want the character to become... A paragon of virtue with the Gods on his side? Paladin A leader of men and inspirer of the people? Warlord A stand up fighter able to hold the line? Fighter If you ever played the old 16-bit side-scrolling beat'em up Knights of the Round, the break down would be like this... Lancelot- Paladin Arthuer- Warlord Percival- Fighter
#11 n647 Mar 25, 2009 17:24:07	well I think that even before botheringwith paths class and all that, we need to know one thing... what does knight means for you, and how you envision it
#12 Shiftkitty Mar 25, 2009 17:38:07	Sir Elton John, Sir Paul McCartney,... hey! Even a bard could aspire to knighthood!
#13 Belorin Mar 25, 2009 18:26:15	The classic knight went through three stages before becoming actual knights. the first stage is Page, most eligible families sent their sons to Court for training in nobility, they were taught etiquette and performed menial labor around the palace. During this process the knights of the realm would pick a likely lad to be hs Squire, this young man would then learn the knightly virtues while tending to the knights armor, weapons, and horse. He would travel with the knight till the knight felt him worthy, sometimes by giving the squire a task or quest to accomplish on his own. Once this is accomplished the sponsoring knight or the King will Knight the candidate after a period of cleansing and purifying. Of course there is really no way to do this all in the game, so the newly created knight PC should be a newly dubbed Knight on his first adventure. Most Knights followed a code of some sort. Code Of Chivalry 1. Noblity in Service 2. Death before Dishonor 3. Enterprise in obedience to rule 4. Respect for all worthy people 5. Honor all those above your station 6. Command Obedience through respect 7. Scorn those who are ignoble 8. Protect the innocent 9. punish the guilty 10. Courtesy to all ladies 11. Battle is the test of Manhood 12. Combat is Glory 13. Defend your charge unto death 14. War is the flowering of Chivalry 15. Death to all who oppose the cause 16. Arts are the food of the Chivalrous (especially music) 17. Anger blinds, a cool head will win the day Other things to concider, Knights were almost invariably mounted, heavily armored and carried a shield, but not always. Bel
#14 Crimson_Concerto Mar 25, 2009 18:31:43	Any character can be knighted. Any race. Any class.
#15 apshai Mar 25, 2009 18:39:41	The Knights Code of Chivalry and the vows of Knighthood The Knights Code of Chivalry described in the Song of Roland and an excellent representation of the Knights Codes of Chivalry are as follows: To fear God and maintain His Church To serve the liege lord in valour and faith To protect the weak and defenceless To give succour to widows and orphans To refrain from the wanton giving of offence To live by honour and for glory To despise pecuniary reward To fight for the welfare of all To obey those placed in authority To guard the honour of fellow knights To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit To keep faith At all times to speak the truth To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun To respect the honour of women Never to refuse a challenge from an equal Never to turn the back upon a foe That's from a medieval song but an accurate list of an actual code. Based on my interpretation...sounds like a paladin would be your best starting class and then add some background and dm involvement and you should have your wish. However, as mentioned any martial class could potentially earn this title through storyline/roleplay.
#16 m4kitsu Mar 26, 2009 3:26:41	Grey Knights. Blood Knights. Hm...
#17 Novacat Mar 26, 2009 7:39:25	Hm... I don't play Warhammer, and I was unaware those terms were used in it.
#18 salla Mar 26, 2009 10:14:12	The Knights Code of Chivalry and the vows of Knighthood The Knights Code of Chivalry described in the Song of Roland and an excellent representation of the Knights Codes of Chivalry are as follows: To fear God and maintain His Church To serve the liege lord in valour and faith To protect the weak and defenceless To give succour to widows and orphans To refrain from the wanton giving of offence To live by honour and for glory To despise pecuniary reward To fight for the welfare of all To obey those placed in authority To guard the honour of fellow knights To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit To keep faith At all times to speak the truth To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun To respect the honour of women Never to refuse a challenge from an equal Never to turn the back upon a foe That's from a medieval song but an accurate list of an actual code. Based on my interpretation...sounds like a paladin would be your best starting class and then add some background and dm involvement and you should have your wish. However, as mentioned any martial class could potentially earn this title through storyline/roleplay. It would depend on a paladin of whom, though ... on the other hand, I don't really see anything on this list that requires a martial class of any sort. Is there a particular reason a wizard or rogue can't be a knight? It's just a social standing.
#19 luzeke Mar 27, 2009 10:52:44	Is there a particular reason a wizard or rogue can't be a knight? Not really. But I'd dare say that characters with those classes probably wouldn't want to be a knight in the first place. A rogue could/would potentially break each and every one of these commandments at some point (depending on how it is played of course) * To fear God and maintain His Church * To serve the liege lord in valour and faith * To protect the weak and defenceless * To give succour to widows and orphans * To refrain from the wanton giving of offence * To live by honour and for glory * To despise pecuniary reward * To fight for the welfare of all * To obey those placed in authority * To guard the honour of fellow knights * To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit * To keep faith * At all times to speak the truth * To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun * To respect the honour of women * Never to refuse a challenge from an equal * Never to turn the back upon a foe A wizard would probably hate the idea of "fearing God and maintain His Church". Of course a wizard could be religious (again, up to the player) but I just don't see it likely. I've always sen wizards as going "Gods?! Bah, Humbug!" But that's just my biased opinion on the matter :D The OP could go another route and make a character who calls himself knight without being knighted (maybe doing the whole Knight Errant thing). It fits the whole "wanting to become a knight" idea a little better. As long as you got the gear and act appropriately that would very well be enough to pass as a knight. When playing WHFR 2e my character had an ambition to become a Witch Hunter, and he got the gear and everything (which is actually a system requirement to advance to another career in the game) and acted as a Witch Hunter and actually got some Witch Hunter authority due to befriending an noble. He would have gotten full authority after his "training period" was over (ie meeting all the requirements) I could see a similar scenario taking place for this player. Talk it through with your DM and you'll probably get it through (it's pretty much only flavor so why deny it? :P ).
#20 ciaran Mar 27, 2009 18:34:24	Pick a class you find appropriate (Fighter, Paladin, Warlord, whatever) and talk to your DM about including some kind of story arc within his campaign. Your story arc would lead eventually to you being knighted by some monarch.
#21 Zherog Mar 27, 2009 18:49:42	Lots of folks seem to be assuming 4e. Is that the system you play, gamer1268?
#22 Novacat Mar 28, 2009 13:08:50	Lots of folks seem to be assuming 4e. Is that the system you play, gamer1268? If we were to assume 3E, I would say that all the OP need do is start taking levels in the Knight class (which is horrible).
#23 chava Mar 28, 2009 13:27:39	Actually in 3E, I would suggest a fighter, warblade, or crusader working for a lord that could knight him (assuming that he doesn't like the mechanics of the knight). Hell, I'm playing a barbarian that is statted as a warblade/dragon shaman.
#24 salla Mar 29, 2009 0:25:29	Not really. But I'd dare say that characters with those classes probably wouldn't want to be a knight in the first place. A rogue could/would potentially break each and every one of these commandments at some point (depending on how it is played of course). Stereotypically, perhaps, but any class (and race) can have any personality or goals. Rogue does not mean dishonorable, or thief, or anything like that.
#25 Novacat Mar 29, 2009 11:20:48	Stereotypically, perhaps, but any class (and race) can have any personality or goals. Rogue does not mean dishonorable, or thief, or anything like that. Rogue: 1: a dishonest or unprincipled man : you are a rogue and an embezzler. • a person whose behavior one disapproves of but who is nonetheless likable or attractive (often used as a playful term of reproof): Cenzo, you old rogue! 2: a person or thing that behaves in an aberrant, faulty, or unpredictable way: he hacked into data and ran rogue programs.
#26 -stu Mar 29, 2009 12:09:50	4E = Fighter or Paladin, but Warlord works best. Knights are generally commanders. Go into Knight Commander or Purple Dragon Knight (Forgotten Realms Players Guide)as your Paragon Path if your DM allows it. 3.X = Paladin (or any heavily armored class, but a Paladin works best) into the Cavalry Master Prestige Class (not sure on the name, but its in Complete Warrior, its big on mounted combat). My wife is currently working on this set-up in a game we both play in. Its set in Mystarra, shes from Karameikos.
#27 daidojitaidoru Mar 29, 2009 12:35:17	Rogue: 1: a dishonest or unprincipled man : you are a rogue and an embezzler. • a person whose behavior one disapproves of but who is nonetheless likable or attractive (often used as a playful term of reproof): Cenzo, you old rogue! 2: a person or thing that behaves in an aberrant, faulty, or unpredictable way: he hacked into data and ran rogue programs. "3. A character class in D&D, given mechanical benefits such as sneak attack and evasion. There are no roleplaying requirements or restrictions attached to this class in any edition." Which definition do you think we're using here on the D&D boards? To the Op, ask the GM about knightly orders in your area of play and see if any are right for you. When you know their minimum standards of martial and magical ability, you can plan appropriately. Just avoid those 3.X classes that tell you how to RP and you should be able to meet the code of conduct easily.