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I apologize if I ask this in the wrong area.Okay here is my deal, I am kind of new to the D&D playing and I really enjoy it for the most part.Problem is the group I play with seems to always have one or more people who roll up characters that are wa

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#1
mylonj73
Jul 21, 2011 15:38:52 I apologize if I ask this in the wrong area.

Okay here is my deal, I am kind of new to the D&D playing and I really enjoy it for the most part.

Problem is the group I play with seems to always have one or more people who roll up characters that are way more powerful than they should be at levels 1-5. Example: I recently was involved in a campaign where we were asked to go escort a gentlemen from the insane asylum ( he was a player lvl 4 like us when we arrived.) Although his character was in chains and a straight jacket he was able to slaughter every person in the place with his mental powers. He was able to use the straps to swing like spiderman and was able to pick up a solid oak banquet table and swing it like a club with one hand.
( I of course called BS ) These people always are able to acheive every saving throw, dodge,parry or block every attack and if one does hit them it hardly damages them, every thing they do or say in game rarely fails. I know its cheating and really dont see the point, because it makes it boring in my opinion. I pefer flaws in my character, I enjoy the struggles and the challenges of overcoming the weaknesses. So  I walked out the other day on the game finally. So I am right or just being over dramatic?
#2
iaidragonx
Jul 21, 2011 15:44:34 Player #1, meet Mary Sue.

Sounds like you were in one of those "special" games. I would have walked out, too, and likely before you did.
#3
Tony_Vargas
Jul 21, 2011 15:48:54 I can't guess at exactly whats going on with the uber-character. It seems most likely that the DM is just hand-waving things for the player, letting him do things well outside the rules that ruin the enjoyment of the game for everyone else. That's not something players should have to put up with.
#4
Ogiwan
Jul 21, 2011 16:27:07 Hm. We need somebody who is opposed to common sense and decency here. Let's see.....

*ahem*

Ur a wuss! J00 walked beacuse you rn't a TRUE ROLEPLAYER! try using your IMAGNATION for a change, you WOW PLAYER!

edit: Just figured that I'd clarify that I'm with the prior three posters. Your group was all kinds of messed up, and I think you were right in walking.
#5
malcapricornis
Jul 21, 2011 16:51:31 What's wrong with the super insane person's narrative and stuff? Rules just get in the way of story telling and fun.
#6
modern_iconoclast
Jul 21, 2011 17:46:20
What's wrong with the super insane person's narrative and stuff? Rules just get in the way of story telling and fun.

They can tell you over the phone, you don't need the trouble of setting up a whole game of D&D for that.
#7
Timmeh
Jul 21, 2011 17:53:56 Roleplaying? I do all that stuff in real life. I call that "boasting".
#8
malcapricornis
Jul 21, 2011 18:01:48
What's wrong with the super insane person's narrative and stuff? Rules just get in the way of story telling and fun.

They can tell you over the phone, you don't need the trouble of setting up a whole game of D&D for that.

Phone's break immersion. I need some candles, my dices, and my rpskills. I don't need the phone.
#9
Seeker95
Jul 21, 2011 18:20:02
Phone's break immersion. I need some candles, my dices, and my rpskills. I don't need the phone.

With my right eye all screwed up right now*, blurring all of my vision as my brain tries to process only half an image, I would swear your "rpskills" said "rpskulls" and thought it was odd, but fit the sentence just fine.

* I had cataract surgery a few years ago, and it looks like I am in need of a visit to the YAG laser team to remove an air bubble. I'll be fine when I can get in next week.
#10
malcapricornis
Jul 21, 2011 18:42:06 Rpskull to hold the candle? You might be onto something.

I shouldnt be trolling the OP's thread because I agree that the brokenness of the other character would ruin a game.
#11
frothsof
Jul 22, 2011 7:20:16 bad dm, bad player
#12
sjmcc13
Jul 22, 2011 17:15:37 am I the only one who read the first post, and got the impression that it should be in the previous edition section?
#13
LordOfWeasels
Jul 25, 2011 8:30:02

Problem is the group I play with seems to always have one or more people who roll up characters that are way more powerful than they should be at levels 1-5. Example: I recently was involved in a campaign where we were asked to go escort a gentlemen from the insane asylum ( he was a player lvl 4 like us when we arrived.) Although his character was in chains and a straight jacket he was able to slaughter every person in the place with his mental powers. He was able to use the straps to swing like spiderman and was able to pick up a solid oak banquet table and swing it like a club with one hand.

I suppose my first question is, was he singlehandedly annihilating encounters that the rest of the group had trouble with? Or did he just build a Psion or something similar and "fluff" his powers as being in a straightjacket?

( I of course called BS ) These people always are able to acheive every saving throw, dodge,parry or block every attack and if one does hit them it hardly damages them, every thing they do or say in game rarely fails. I know its cheating and really dont see the point, because it makes it boring in my opinion. I pefer flaws in my character, I enjoy the struggles and the challenges of overcoming the weaknesses. So  I walked out the other day on the game finally. So I am right or just being over dramatic?

Walking out of a game that isn 't fun for you is ALWAYS the right decision. My question is just if you know for a fact he's definitely cheating, or if he's just made a character who's very good at the only things he does, and avoids failing by not trying anything else?
#14
ToeSama
Jul 25, 2011 9:49:06 A fully optimized character can do things that an unoptimized, or even average optimized character will only be... well, average at. It's not cheating, perse, but unless it's something the entire party and the DM enjoy, it's not ususally a fun experience either.

While I don't think that walking out is a good immediate answer, I don't think you were in the wrong for taking a pass on a bad experience. See if you can't patch things up by talking with the DM about your concerns. If he's a DM worth his salt, he'll be attentive enough to help fix the issue so that you can enjoy the game as well. If not, there's always another group somewhere that could use a fresh face to add life to the table.

Happy Gaming
#15
rian_king
Jul 25, 2011 12:31:15
Roleplaying? I do all that stuff in real life. I call that "boasting".

I do role-playing in real life to

Like when I sink a ball in pool game I role-play like I meant to make the shot
#16
reosoul
Jul 29, 2011 0:54:08 I'm a newbie who has been mostly lurking the DnD forums trying to get a better grasp of the game without monitarily contributing myself to it, simply because after looking at so many threads of awesome things happening, there seem to be twice as many incedents where something worse than this thread occurs.

I took a gander at a 'Bad House-rules' thread and shuddered at the ultimate failure in logic that came from critical fumbles, not to mention limb loss. Yeah, I get it, it's gritty and realistic, but if you lose your arm or leg- I'm sorry, you're not fighting anymore. Even if you're roid-raged outside all your senses, losing a limb is a big ****ing deal.

Yeah, a bit off-topic, but urgh. Note, I find it a bit easier to understand if it's just a game to goof off in, but that seems far outside the boundaries of moderation.
#17
Krusk
Jul 30, 2011 8:10:10 Seekers sig has some good suggestions for breaking it into a decent reading order.

"Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion:

Three Basic Rules (p 11)

Power Types and Usage (p 54)

Skills (p178-179)

Feats (p 192)

Rest and Recovery (p 263)

All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)

A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing."

I take that second paragraph to mean "Read your entire race, class, power, feat, and equip section for stuff you have selected". As in only the one you selected.  Only bother with that bit once you have a group and are going to start.

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#1 mylonj73 Jul 21, 2011 15:38:52	I apologize if I ask this in the wrong area. Okay here is my deal, I am kind of new to the D&D playing and I really enjoy it for the most part. Problem is the group I play with seems to always have one or more people who roll up characters that are way more powerful than they should be at levels 1-5. Example: I recently was involved in a campaign where we were asked to go escort a gentlemen from the insane asylum ( he was a player lvl 4 like us when we arrived.) Although his character was in chains and a straight jacket he was able to slaughter every person in the place with his mental powers. He was able to use the straps to swing like spiderman and was able to pick up a solid oak banquet table and swing it like a club with one hand. ( I of course called BS ) These people always are able to acheive every saving throw, dodge,parry or block every attack and if one does hit them it hardly damages them, every thing they do or say in game rarely fails. I know its cheating and really dont see the point, because it makes it boring in my opinion. I pefer flaws in my character, I enjoy the struggles and the challenges of overcoming the weaknesses. So I walked out the other day on the game finally. So I am right or just being over dramatic?
#2 iaidragonx Jul 21, 2011 15:44:34	Player #1, meet Mary Sue. Sounds like you were in one of those "special" games. I would have walked out, too, and likely before you did.
#3 Tony_Vargas Jul 21, 2011 15:48:54	I can't guess at exactly whats going on with the uber-character. It seems most likely that the DM is just hand-waving things for the player, letting him do things well outside the rules that ruin the enjoyment of the game for everyone else. That's not something players should have to put up with.
#4 Ogiwan Jul 21, 2011 16:27:07	Hm. We need somebody who is opposed to common sense and decency here. Let's see..... ahem Ur a wuss! J00 walked beacuse you rn't a TRUE ROLEPLAYER! try using your IMAGNATION for a change, you WOW PLAYER! edit: Just figured that I'd clarify that I'm with the prior three posters. Your group was all kinds of messed up, and I think you were right in walking.
#5 malcapricornis Jul 21, 2011 16:51:31	What's wrong with the super insane person's narrative and stuff? Rules just get in the way of story telling and fun.
#6 modern_iconoclast Jul 21, 2011 17:46:20	What's wrong with the super insane person's narrative and stuff? Rules just get in the way of story telling and fun. They can tell you over the phone, you don't need the trouble of setting up a whole game of D&D for that.
#7 Timmeh Jul 21, 2011 17:53:56	Roleplaying? I do all that stuff in real life. I call that "boasting".
#8 malcapricornis Jul 21, 2011 18:01:48	What's wrong with the super insane person's narrative and stuff? Rules just get in the way of story telling and fun. They can tell you over the phone, you don't need the trouble of setting up a whole game of D&D for that. Phone's break immersion. I need some candles, my dices, and my rpskills. I don't need the phone.
#9 Seeker95 Jul 21, 2011 18:20:02	Phone's break immersion. I need some candles, my dices, and my rpskills. I don't need the phone. With my right eye all screwed up right now, blurring all of my vision as my brain tries to process only half an image, I would swear your "rpskills" said "rpskulls" and thought it was odd, but fit the sentence just fine. I had cataract surgery a few years ago, and it looks like I am in need of a visit to the YAG laser team to remove an air bubble. I'll be fine when I can get in next week.
#10 malcapricornis Jul 21, 2011 18:42:06	Rpskull to hold the candle? You might be onto something. I shouldnt be trolling the OP's thread because I agree that the brokenness of the other character would ruin a game.
#11 frothsof Jul 22, 2011 7:20:16	bad dm, bad player
#12 sjmcc13 Jul 22, 2011 17:15:37	am I the only one who read the first post, and got the impression that it should be in the previous edition section?
#13 LordOfWeasels Jul 25, 2011 8:30:02	Problem is the group I play with seems to always have one or more people who roll up characters that are way more powerful than they should be at levels 1-5. Example: I recently was involved in a campaign where we were asked to go escort a gentlemen from the insane asylum ( he was a player lvl 4 like us when we arrived.) Although his character was in chains and a straight jacket he was able to slaughter every person in the place with his mental powers. He was able to use the straps to swing like spiderman and was able to pick up a solid oak banquet table and swing it like a club with one hand. I suppose my first question is, was he singlehandedly annihilating encounters that the rest of the group had trouble with? Or did he just build a Psion or something similar and "fluff" his powers as being in a straightjacket? ( I of course called BS ) These people always are able to acheive every saving throw, dodge,parry or block every attack and if one does hit them it hardly damages them, every thing they do or say in game rarely fails. I know its cheating and really dont see the point, because it makes it boring in my opinion. I pefer flaws in my character, I enjoy the struggles and the challenges of overcoming the weaknesses. So I walked out the other day on the game finally. So I am right or just being over dramatic? Walking out of a game that isn 't fun for you is ALWAYS the right decision. My question is just if you know for a fact he's definitely cheating, or if he's just made a character who's very good at the only things he does, and avoids failing by not trying anything else?
#14 ToeSama Jul 25, 2011 9:49:06	A fully optimized character can do things that an unoptimized, or even average optimized character will only be... well, average at. It's not cheating, perse, but unless it's something the entire party and the DM enjoy, it's not ususally a fun experience either. While I don't think that walking out is a good immediate answer, I don't think you were in the wrong for taking a pass on a bad experience. See if you can't patch things up by talking with the DM about your concerns. If he's a DM worth his salt, he'll be attentive enough to help fix the issue so that you can enjoy the game as well. If not, there's always another group somewhere that could use a fresh face to add life to the table. Happy Gaming
#15 rian_king Jul 25, 2011 12:31:15	Roleplaying? I do all that stuff in real life. I call that "boasting". I do role-playing in real life to Like when I sink a ball in pool game I role-play like I meant to make the shot
#16 reosoul Jul 29, 2011 0:54:08	I'm a newbie who has been mostly lurking the DnD forums trying to get a better grasp of the game without monitarily contributing myself to it, simply because after looking at so many threads of awesome things happening, there seem to be twice as many incedents where something worse than this thread occurs. I took a gander at a 'Bad House-rules' thread and shuddered at the ultimate failure in logic that came from critical fumbles, not to mention limb loss. Yeah, I get it, it's gritty and realistic, but if you lose your arm or leg- I'm sorry, you're not fighting anymore. Even if you're roid-raged outside all your senses, losing a limb is a big ****ing deal. Yeah, a bit off-topic, but urgh. Note, I find it a bit easier to understand if it's just a game to goof off in, but that seems far outside the boundaries of moderation.
#17 Krusk Jul 30, 2011 8:10:10	Seekers sig has some good suggestions for breaking it into a decent reading order. "Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: Three Basic Rules (p 11) Power Types and Usage (p 54) Skills (p178-179) Feats (p 192) Rest and Recovery (p 263) All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295) A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing." I take that second paragraph to mean "Read your entire race, class, power, feat, and equip section for stuff you have selected". As in only the one you selected. Only bother with that bit once you have a group and are going to start.