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Intelligence modifier on melee attack rolls

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#1
Large_Gnoll
Feb 21, 2011 10:45:17 Hey there,

I know weapon finesse (dex), and insightful strike (wis), but is there a feature that makes you able to use your intelligence modifier on melee attack rolls, in stead of strength?

Thanks in advance,

Hans
#2
theunknownreturns
Feb 21, 2011 11:34:27 I don't know, what system are you playing? I'm a 3.5 hold out so I don't know much of the 4e ways (they're scary, lol). In 3.5 I would say no, but in my game I have a feat that allows Int. bonus to go to the attack of point and click weapons (C bows, guns, ect.) instead of dexterity. It really boosted the wizard class.
#3
Large_Gnoll
Feb 21, 2011 11:43:17 Yep 3.5. Bummer ... ik was really looking for melee stuff. Thanks anyway.
#4
LordOfWeasels
Feb 21, 2011 20:05:13
Yep 3.5. Bummer ... ik was really looking for melee stuff. Thanks anyway.

In D&D, you can spend a feat on Melee Training (STAT) to use STAT instead of Strength to hit and STAT/2 instead of Strength to damage with melee basic attacks. This is, simply, to allow anyone who wants a good ability to smack people to get it by just spending a Feat and being done with it.

D20 has no equivalent that I'm aware of. D20 characters are much less customisable.

At the same time, you can probably convince your DM to let you back-port the Feat from D&D. It's really not abusable on the scale of anything else any INT-based character could be doing in D20, so there's no reason to refuse it.

(PS: D20's actually got it's own section of the forums. Most of the D20 players hang out there, rather than here - if you ask the same question there, you're likely to get a better answer, and if there WAS a version of the Feat printed somewhere in some book, or an OGL product, someone might be able to direct you towards it.)
#5
salla
Feb 21, 2011 20:18:50
I don't know, what system are you playing? I'm a 3.5 hold out so I don't know much of the 4e ways (they're scary, lol). In 3.5 I would say no, but in my game I have a feat that allows Int. bonus to go to the attack of point and click weapons (C bows, guns, ect.) instead of dexterity. It really boosted the wizard class.

... like it needed boosting.
#6
LordOfWeasels
Feb 21, 2011 20:56:47
t in my game I have a feat that allows Int. bonus to go to the attack of point and click weapons (C bows, guns, ect.) instead of dexterity. It really boosted the wizard class.

... like it needed boosting.

Be fair, man. A second level Wizard who can use a Crossbow effectively actually has *something he can do* for all the times that aren't his twice-a-day-no-more Sleep spell.

Of course, it's D20, so he can't *retrain* that Feat once he's gotten his plethora of "I Win" button spells later.
#7
salla
Feb 21, 2011 22:30:28
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Be fair, man. A second level Wizard who can use a Crossbow effectively actually has *something he can do* for all the times that aren't his twice-a-day-no-more Sleep spell.

Of course, it's D20, so he can't *retrain* that Feat once he's gotten his plethora of "I Win" button spells later.

Actually, they introduced retraining in the PHB2 in 3e. To be fair. ;)
#8
CaptainPicard
Mar 02, 2011 13:54:31 I remember there was a feat that let Monks get their AC and attack rolls from int, but I can't remember what it was called or where I found it anymore...
#9
struckingfuggle
Mar 13, 2011 13:44:20 Kung Fu Genius. It was a Dragon feat, compiled in the Dragon Compendium, not an official one.
#10
bageljay
Mar 14, 2011 11:43:55 For 3.x I believe there is a feat in complete arcane that lets you use int instead of str for attack rolls (but not damage), though I can't think of the name.
I think there are feats for every stat but con.
#11
Krusk
Mar 14, 2011 16:43:12
brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.p...

Adding int to attack is possible through classes...

Factotum 1 Dungeonscape p14 3.5 Attack, Save or Damage (requires an inspiration point)

Swashbuckler 3 Complete Warrior p11 3.5 Damage

Warblade 7 Tome of Battle p22 3.5 Int to melee damage against flat-footed and flanked foes

Warblade 15 Tome of Battle p22 3.5 Int to melee attack and damage on attacks of opportunity

Wizard (Diviner) 1 Unearthed Arcana p60 Int to attack roll, saving throw, skill/level check 1/day + 1/5 class level

Or Spells

Control Body XPH p86 3.5 Attack, Damage & AC

Thunder Lance Spell Compendium 220 Attack and Damage with Lance

Whirling Blade Complete Arcane p129 3.5 Attack & Damage

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Large_Gnoll Feb 21, 2011 10:45:17	Hey there, I know weapon finesse (dex), and insightful strike (wis), but is there a feature that makes you able to use your intelligence modifier on melee attack rolls, in stead of strength? Thanks in advance, Hans
#2 theunknownreturns Feb 21, 2011 11:34:27	I don't know, what system are you playing? I'm a 3.5 hold out so I don't know much of the 4e ways (they're scary, lol). In 3.5 I would say no, but in my game I have a feat that allows Int. bonus to go to the attack of point and click weapons (C bows, guns, ect.) instead of dexterity. It really boosted the wizard class.
#3 Large_Gnoll Feb 21, 2011 11:43:17	Yep 3.5. Bummer ... ik was really looking for melee stuff. Thanks anyway.
#4 LordOfWeasels Feb 21, 2011 20:05:13	Yep 3.5. Bummer ... ik was really looking for melee stuff. Thanks anyway. In D&D, you can spend a feat on Melee Training (STAT) to use STAT instead of Strength to hit and STAT/2 instead of Strength to damage with melee basic attacks. This is, simply, to allow anyone who wants a good ability to smack people to get it by just spending a Feat and being done with it. D20 has no equivalent that I'm aware of. D20 characters are much less customisable. At the same time, you can probably convince your DM to let you back-port the Feat from D&D. It's really not abusable on the scale of anything else any INT-based character could be doing in D20, so there's no reason to refuse it. (PS: D20's actually got it's own section of the forums. Most of the D20 players hang out there, rather than here - if you ask the same question there, you're likely to get a better answer, and if there WAS a version of the Feat printed somewhere in some book, or an OGL product, someone might be able to direct you towards it.)
#5 salla Feb 21, 2011 20:18:50	I don't know, what system are you playing? I'm a 3.5 hold out so I don't know much of the 4e ways (they're scary, lol). In 3.5 I would say no, but in my game I have a feat that allows Int. bonus to go to the attack of point and click weapons (C bows, guns, ect.) instead of dexterity. It really boosted the wizard class. ... like it needed boosting.
#6 LordOfWeasels Feb 21, 2011 20:56:47	t in my game I have a feat that allows Int. bonus to go to the attack of point and click weapons (C bows, guns, ect.) instead of dexterity. It really boosted the wizard class. ... like it needed boosting. Be fair, man. A second level Wizard who can use a Crossbow effectively actually has something he can do for all the times that aren't his twice-a-day-no-more Sleep spell. Of course, it's D20, so he can't retrain that Feat once he's gotten his plethora of "I Win" button spells later.
#7 salla Feb 21, 2011 22:30:28	[ Be fair, man. A second level Wizard who can use a Crossbow effectively actually has something he can do for all the times that aren't his twice-a-day-no-more Sleep spell. Of course, it's D20, so he can't retrain that Feat once he's gotten his plethora of "I Win" button spells later. Actually, they introduced retraining in the PHB2 in 3e. To be fair. ;)
#8 CaptainPicard Mar 02, 2011 13:54:31	I remember there was a feat that let Monks get their AC and attack rolls from int, but I can't remember what it was called or where I found it anymore...
#9 struckingfuggle Mar 13, 2011 13:44:20	Kung Fu Genius. It was a Dragon feat, compiled in the Dragon Compendium, not an official one.
#10 bageljay Mar 14, 2011 11:43:55	For 3.x I believe there is a feat in complete arcane that lets you use int instead of str for attack rolls (but not damage), though I can't think of the name. I think there are feats for every stat but con.
#11 Krusk Mar 14, 2011 16:43:12	brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.p... Adding int to attack is possible through classes... Factotum 1 Dungeonscape p14 3.5 Attack, Save or Damage (requires an inspiration point) Swashbuckler 3 Complete Warrior p11 3.5 Damage Warblade 7 Tome of Battle p22 3.5 Int to melee damage against flat-footed and flanked foes Warblade 15 Tome of Battle p22 3.5 Int to melee attack and damage on attacks of opportunity Wizard (Diviner) 1 Unearthed Arcana p60 Int to attack roll, saving throw, skill/level check 1/day + 1/5 class level Or Spells Control Body XPH p86 3.5 Attack, Damage & AC Thunder Lance Spell Compendium 220 Attack and Damage with Lance Whirling Blade Complete Arcane p129 3.5 Attack & Damage