I'm playing a D&D game. (Luckily not as a paladin which seems to have this odd amount of discrimination attached..) But am playing as a paladin equivalent using tome of battle. I based him off Judge Dredd. Her carries out the law, and he carries it out well.. He's strict, he cannot be bribed or reasoned with..
The reason lawful good has become an issue, is there is a vigilante out killing in the name of good, who ironicaly IS a sterotypical paladin. He detects evil, he kills it. The thing is, not all evil people are criminals. Some evil people have never commited a crime in their life. This is where "Dredd" comes in..
He is merciful to lawbreakers if they're not inheritly evil. If he sees a scrawny little goblin who looks like he hasn't eaten steal grocceries, he'll give him a scolding, but otherwise let him go. Just the sight of this "officer" should scare him straight. And he even fealt so bad for this goblin he told him he'd pay him to clean his clothes and weapons. Basically he turned this starving goblin into his servant.
He's not so good hearted to othes however. A corrupt politician, who he deeply despises, he left alone on the basis he hasn't broken a law. When he finds out about his embezzlement schemes. He gets brutal. The politician responds "what are you going to do?! Arrest me?! I own this nation! You can't touch me!" Acting more like a machine instead of a man. He simply hacks off his arms, leaves him to bleed to death and says: "You have commited the following crimes: Embezzlement, conspiracy, and threatening an officer. Your punishment: Death. Sentence to be carried about: Five minutes ago. The law doesn't just touch maggot. IT GRABS!"
Then he realizes his error that if he lives this body hear it'll be litering. So he picks the body up to go throw it in the woods and tells his servant to clean up the blood on the floor.
My girlfriend is saying he's "lawful good, not lawful nice". She's been hot for my character (in and out of game lol!) ever sense we faced a succubus who was mind controlling men. She'd do a gaze attack, have sex with us, and it'd be like an epic charm person. "Gaze into my eyes you handsome knight! Gaze and get lost in them!" *she goes to take off his leather armor, he smacks her hand away and punches her right in her perfect face*
"GAZE INTO THE FIST OF NECRO ****!!!" (I named him Officer Necropotence, yes, like the magic card.. The word censored was "promiscues woman" lol)
"Crimes commited: Coercion, ****, and illegal sale of services. (Prostitution) Sentence: Mutiliation. Sentence to be carried out: As soon as my boner goes down.."
(Take Note: Necro's first instinct when discovering this succubi as a criminal was to cut off "little Necro" to make himself immune to her mind effects. The GM said the lust she bestows is mental, not physical, but appreciated the original ideas of how to deal with a threat lol!)
The other gamers at the table were not able to come to a conclusive alignment. And sense alignment is essential for how the villain interacts with us.. we'll need a definite answer by the end of the week. I'll show my GM this topic to give him some advise..
Here's some of what our other players have said..
James wrote:
He is merciful to lawbreakers if they're not inheritly evil. If he sees a scrawny little goblin who looks like he hasn't eaten steal grocceries, he'll give him a scolding, but otherwise let him go. Just the sight of this "officer" should scare him straight. And he even fealt so bad for this goblin he told him he'd pay him to clean his clothes and weapons. Basically he turned this starving goblin into his servant.
That's an odd behavior, especially from someone who is supposed to be an upholder of the law. He feels sorry for the perpetrator, so he gives him a very mild punishment, then takes him in as his servant. He is probably not an evil person, though it isn't necessary - evil doesn't mean he can't be nice.
A corrupt politician, who he deeply despises, he left alone on the basis he hasn't broken a law. When he finds out about his embezzlement schemes. He gets brutal.
This makes me think he's either insane or evil, particularly of the Neutral or Lawful bent. As long as the politician appears to be upstanding, the character leaves him be. Once he finds out that he can 'legally' attack his enemy, though, he "gets brutal."
He simply hacks off his arms, leaves him to bleed to death and says: "You have commited the following crimes: Embezzlement, conspiracy, and threatening an officer. Your punishment: Death. Sentence to be carried about: Five minutes ago. The law doesn't just touch maggot. IT GRABS!"
Again, evil or insane behavior. He uses the law as a reason to kill (what, by the way, is the legal punishment for embezzlement where they are, what proof do they have of conspiracy, and when did the politician threaten the officer?), and in a needlessly sadistic fashion - letting him bleed to death.
Then he realizes his error that if he lives this body hear it'll be litering. So he picks the body up to go throw it in the woods and tells his servant to clean up the blood on the floor.
Neurotic behavior, and that of someone who *knows* what he's doing is illegal, or at least morally incorrect. If he was under orders to arrest (or kill) the politician, why throw him in the woods? Why not take him to his superiors, to make an example of people who break the law? It seems like this character has something to hide ....
Necro's first instinct when discovering this succubi as a criminal was to cut off "little Necro" to make himself immune to her mind effects. The GM said the lust she bestows is mental, not physical, but appreciated the original ideas of how to deal with a threat lol!)
The DM would be right - "Mind effects" are mental, not physical. Charming is a mind effect. Ergo, self-mutilation would not bestow any defenses from a mind-affecting attack.
Regarding your other players' remarks:
I agree with James about arbitrary punishments, and possibly disproportionate ones - but I don't know the world, so I'll hold off on that.
Deck seems to be almost right: I would say that this character is putting the appearance of law before anything else.
...He shows dedication, discipline, and an unshakable will to do what's right! ... He doesn't accept bribes, he cannot be intimidated, he serves and protects. ...
All this can be said about the Chaotic Evil Werewolf, too.
And without sufficient evidence, I killed the assaliant.
... Well, you're probably not Good, not unless you caught him/her/it in the act of doing something.
He punishes us for being "vigilantes" sense he's the only legitamate authority in this campaign, then excaggerates the punishment and calls all the most pricy stuff as our punishment!
If this is true, my vote goes for either Lawful or (more likely) Chaotic Evil. That's self-serving to the detriment of your own group, and - again, if true - no real respect for the law.
So, my vote is as follows:
Definitely not Good.
Possibly Neutral-aligned on the G/E axis, but definitely at least border-line with Evil.
Along the L/C axis: Neutral, but either is possible. He uses and abuses the Law, but as I have no character motivation for doing this, this is all hypothetical anyway.
If you want a specific answer, I would say Neutral Evil.
So unless he hears some good arguments from you guys. The villain is going to sense a very strong, but "empty" aura from me. And assume I'm a demon masking my alignment. As normal people do not pulsate with such strong auras. But as you can see... Necropentence is not normal people...
Based on what I have seen here, I would go with LN over LG. He is clearly lawful, but his position along the Good / Evil axis is more open to question.
This is a very tough call though, since it depends on everything your character has done and why, not just the stuff the other players are aware of or which you remember.
But there are a few things you can go by.
What would your character do if faced with a clearly unjust but legal law? Say the local lord goes insane and decrees that all judges must **** a virgin once a month. An evil character would set out to line up the best virgins to take advantage of, a good one defies the specific law because of their dedication to the more general sense of good.
How much is the character personally profiting by his actions? If the character is getting a disproportionate part of the rewards or using his legal authority to bully the other characters then he is being evil. A good character is always aware of the risk of legal power turning into abusive excess and goes out of their way to avoid those problems.
Is the character biased against any particular group of people? It isn't good for your character to dislike politicians, even if history suggests they are actually more likely to be criminals then the general population. You still have to evaluate each individual on their own merits. And jumping to maximum punishment for minor offenses is an all too common type of bias.
In any case though, why are you making this decision at all? Alignment isn't really something you get to pin on your character, it is a reflection of what the character has done. If you want to know what alignment the character is, cast know alignment and find out, which category he is in is up the DM in the end.
And just for reference, Judge Dredd is LN.
Jay
If you have a character who will treat everyone he meets with dignity and respect, give generously to the poor, show a willingness to help people in ways that do not involve murder, and so forth, you probably qualify as a quirky sort of Lawful Good. If not, I'd put you down as LN or maybe LE.
Also, does he accept peoples' surrenders, ever? If a villain repents, would he let the villain live?
Your character, while not quite as neutral as JD, is still way more neutral than good. The acts of cruelty in carrying out the punishments sort of eliminate the possibility of good.
Hmmm... it is said that you can judge a man's character by asking how he treats those who can't do him any good, and how he treats those who can't fight back. So how does this character handle NPCs who haven't done anything wrong but also aren't really important to him?
Every so often he asks them questions pertaining to the enemy. When they say "I don't know anything" he looks'em in the eye with intimidation "are you sure?" and usually they get all scared and soil themself but then he says to others "I don't think this guy knows anything" and the others are like "gee, you think?":P
So he really doesn't act hostile to NPCs. Atleast not as hostile. He just tries to squeeze out any information he can. Infact, even ignorant NPCs are useful. Because they might give a different story then the perp. They can be a tool to falsly incriminate this crook...
Every so often he has a spurt of compassion. There was a little girl getting bullied by a group of guys, they were determined to hurt her, so he picked her up threw her in the air, did one of his fighting manuevers to knock them all prone at once, then catched her in his arms lol! Then she turned out to be an older hafling chick who wasn't giving her money to those guys who were her pimps. So he dropped her right out of his arms and said "sorry for the pummeling citizens, carry out your justice" lol!
Also, does he accept peoples' surrenders, ever? If a villain repents, would he let the villain live?
It depends on the crime. But then he's not irrational. If someone has a gambling deubt, he's not obviously going to hack them to peices. If they've murdered other people he'll arrest them, but find out more about the murdered to see if they had it coming.. He's very discrimatory about justice. Discrimatory based on his own ethics. IE: He knows what he believes more strongly then your typical cleric lol!
Hell, a couple of times he's almost apprehended the other PCs. Like the warmage illegaly sold his mercenary services. He wasn't an offical mercenary.. But considering he saved Necro's life. He let it slide.. He doesn't like the binder.. He's just waiting to find a town with strict immigration laws, and him illegaly summon a sentinent alien onto the territory. That way he can take him down. The binder's not really a lawbreaker, he's just a jerk LOL!
So in essence Necro follows the law, for the sake of appearing heroic, and so he can't be persecuted. But the law takes a backseat to his personal morality. And he just waits for the oppurtunity for you to break the offical law so he can punish you based off his own personal morality. But both are definitely lawful traits.
Julz is trying to push a romance between her character and Necro. Thinking it'd be awesome to have a "free-spirit" warlock with a "Heroic Nazi" warblade lol! To play with the idea to get her happy, I've defended her. Like when she burned all the evidence.
Binder: You twit! You've burned all the evidence of the guy's project to attack the council!
Favored Soul: How are we suppose to arrest him now?!
Hexblade: Why do we have to arrest him? Who's going to know we killed him?
Warblade: For once the skank is right. There would be no substantial evidence that we killed this creep. Furthermore, there's no substantial evidence that this innocent civillian burned those documents..
Binder: NO...EVIDENCE...YOU! AHHHH!
Warmage: You are the worst officer ever!
Warblade: Purple.. (that's what she named her hexblade lol)
*We both attack and kill him*
Binder: How is this following the law?
Warblade: You be quite. I've had it up to here with you and all that black magic you do.. Tals (Pronounced like pals, the warlock), burn this body so there's no substantial evidence..
Warlock: Can do hubby! ^_^
Warblade: .....Don't do that.
Binder: I hate you!
Favored Soul: What's to stop us from going to the feds about this?!
Warblade: Who are they going to believe? A bunch of rag-tag vigilantes who are responsible for thousands of gold in collatoral damage and civillian deaths? Or the honorable officer Necropentence? Who was simply doing his job and thought you guys were offical mercenaries and puts on the water works about how he's not fit to be an officer to draw sympathy from those around him?
Binder: LAWFUL EVIL!
Favored Soul: Were you talking in or out of game?
Binder: BOTH!
Warmage: Can we atleast steal whatever he has in his house?
GM: You find some food, and dirty magizines..
Warmage: You gonna' confinscate that too Necro?
Warblade: No, that's ok. Sense the perp is deceased, I hearby give you heir to all his belongings. By the authority invested in me by The Feds.
Warmage: Gee... thanks... -__-;;
A Lawful Good character doesn't necessarily mean nice, but this character is far too brutal for that. Chopping someone's limbs off or mutilating them as a punishment for a crime should slide them instantly into evil.
I would tend to say he's lawful neutral or true neutral.
While he's got good intentions and does take good actions, he's also very evil because his punishments are at times disproportionate to the crimes. He's also cruel; killing someone isn't evil, but torturing them probably is. However, the fact that he also does good things and is basically trying to uphold what is good and decent probably means he isn't evil, though its kind of borderline.
He believes extremely strongly in upholding the law, and I'm not seeing obviously chaotic actions here - applying the laws equally to all people is a very lawful thing to do. That said, if he's random in his execution of said laws, he may be neutral in that regard.
This character strongly reminds me of Miko from OOtS.
Miko from OotS is meant to make light of how many people play paladins...more lawful neutral than lawful good.
A Lawful Good character doesn't necessarily mean nice, but this character is far too brutal for that. Chopping someone's limbs off or mutilating them as a punishment for a crime should slide them instantly into evil.
That depends.
If the law states that that is the punishment, then for a lawful neutral character to fulfill the punishment isn't evil. He follows the Law.
Pretty common punishments in the older societies.. The world was harsher back then. Communication was slower, so if you caught a thief, you made an example of him. Life was also harder. You didn't incarcerate if you could avoid it, as that meant you had to provide for an idle mouth. And if you did incarcerate, you typically put them to work. Taking a limb, branding, crucifixion, and other such things were used to mark the offender and/or as a way of having a harsh punishment that didn't tax the honest citizens, as well as making an example to warn others of the cost of the criminal action.
Now, if he enjoys it, that's an indication of evil. If he chooses to draw it out, to make it more painful...
Hell, a couple of times he's almost apprehended the other PCs. Like the warmage illegally sold his mercenary services. He wasn't an official mercenary.. But considering he saved Necro's life. He let it slide.. He doesn't like the binder.. He's just waiting to find a town with strict immigration laws, and him illegally summon a sentient alien onto the territory. That way he can take him down. The binder's not really a lawbreaker, he's just a jerk LOL!
So in essence Necro follows the law, for the sake of appearing heroic, and so he can't be persecuted. But the law takes a backseat to his personal morality. And he just waits for the opportunity for you to break the official law so he can punish you based off his own personal morality. But both are definitely lawful traits.
My vote is for chaotic evil. (Who is using to the 'law' that he doesn't even care about in order to do what he wants.)
Someone who is lawful is likely to get up at the same time every day, eat the same things, and go do what he does every day (whether that's killing criminals or farming). Whether or not the character obeys the law of the land is immaterial if he does what he does consistently.
The character above definitely Lawful. He treats all criminals with equally indiscriminate punishment.
If you were a paladin, even in 4E, you would need to match the alignment of your god (unless the god is unaligned in which case it doesn't matter).
I don't like the way 3.x does alignment, but it is what it is.
So he really doesn't act hostile to NPCs. Atleast not as hostile. He just tries to squeeze out any information he can. Infact, even ignorant NPCs are useful. Because they might give a different story then the perp. They can be a tool to falsly incriminate this crook...
Just to highlight that last sentence, to falsly incriminate the crook?
Punishing someone with little to no evidence is one thing and however questionable that may be, the excuse of "all we had to go on" can be used even if it is a poor excuse. It might be a lousy system, but what can you do.
But to deliberately gather false evidence, that is a whole different ball and game, it becomes assault/murder and conspiracy to assault/murder (whatever the sentence is)
Every so often he has a spurt of compassion. There was a little girl getting bullied by a group of guys, they were determined to hurt her, so he picked her up threw her in the air, did one of his fighting manuevers to knock them all prone at once, then catched her in his arms lol! Then she turned out to be an older hafling chick who wasn't giving her money to those guys who were her pimps. So he dropped her right out of his arms and said "sorry for the pummeling citizens, carry out your justice" lol!
I am sorry, but upon realizing she was a prostitute you returned her to the pimps for them to resume punishing her? And this is somehow Lawful or Good?
The Pimps are guilty of the crime of Assault, Extortion, Slavery, Racketeering, and although Prostitution may or not be a crime for an individual, pimping generally is.
It depends on the crime. But then he's not irrational. If someone has a gambling debt, he's not obviously going to hack them to peices.
As you aren't a bailiff then I don't see why you would do anything, Dept is not a criminal offence but a personal dept and far outside yoiur jurisdiction.
So in essence Necro follows the law, for the sake of appearing heroic, and so he can't be persecuted. But the law takes a backseat to his personal morality. And he just waits for the oppurtunity for you to break the offical law so he can punish you based off his own personal morality. But both are definitely lawful traits.
He uses the law for his own purposes? So that he can't be persecuted or did you mean prosecuted?
From what I see here is that you spare the Goblin because you saw an opportunity to make a faithful servant for yourself, you didn't like the politician so murdered min in cold blood as soon as you saw an excuse.
btw hiding the body in the forest is, generally speaking, against the law. Using "litering" as an excuse to hide the evidence? Not buying it, even primitive societies have rules and taboos about the disposal of human bodies, and upon death the body becomes the property of his next of kin, family or inheritors. And at the very least a dead body should have been brought into the city morgue for proper disposal.
Burrying the body in an unmarked grave in the woods is unethical and I dare say illegal.
To play with the idea to get her happy, I've defended her. Like when she burned all the evidence.
Obstruction of justice.
Warblade: For once the skank is right. There would be no substantial evidence that we killed this creep. Furthermore, there's no substantial evidence that this innocent civillian burned those documents..
Since you need to show evidence to arrest this "creep" then killing him and covering up his death is Murder. First degree murder because it is premeditated.
Warblade: Purple.. (that's what she named her hexblade lol)
*We both attack and kill him*
Binder: How is this following the law?
Warblade: You be quite. I've had it up to here with you and all that black magic you do.. Tals (Pronounced like pals, the warlock), burn this body so there's no substantial evidence..
Conspiracy to murder, obstruction of justice.
Favored Soul: What's to stop us from going to the feds about this?!
Warblade: Who are they going to believe? A bunch of rag-tag vigilantes who are responsible for thousands of gold in collatoral damage and civillian deaths? Or the honorable officer Necropentence? Who was simply doing his job and thought you guys were offical mercenaries and puts on the water works about how he's not fit to be an officer to draw sympathy from those around him?
Perjury much?
But a note to your DM.
When an Officer is accused of crimes and part of his defence is:
-That he is incompetent "thought you guys were offical mercenaries"
-That these "official merceneries" who worked for him did "thousands of gold worth of colateral damage and civilian deaths" under his direct command.
-Admits and testifies that he is incomepent and unfit as an officer "puts on the water works about how he's not fit to be an officer "
The said officer will be lucky if all he gets is an honorable discharge and early retirement on half-pay instead of the trial and execution he deserves.
Your Character is Lawful Evil.
The problem however is that your DM has allowed a player to have once-sided authority over the group, and that you are able and often willing to abuse that power. Since by virtue of your character's "authority" he can veto, prosecute, punish or order the group around against it's wishes. The DM should never allow this sort of power structure in the group.
The PCs have to cow-tow to your PC or else they can be declared "criminals" on whatever cooked up charges you can twist up. This is an unaceptable group dynamic and one the DM should emmediately elliminate.
My advice to the DM is that he institute means of controling your character with the rest of the party. I strongly suggest he take this approach.
-Introduce other "judges" in the city who are LG or LN that your character would have to account to should he break the laws or otherwise fail his proper duties. Or some other systems of accountability so you can't rampage freely.
-Have the "Feds" grant the entire party as a whole and as individuals the authority to fight crime. Thus removing the risk of being falsely arrested by your character from the equation. They will then all be at the same level of authority.
-IN cases like this the DM should use allignments as a controlling factor. Although I myself am lax with them and recomend others to use them as thin guidelines only. In cases such as these it is a determining factor. He should make your character Lawful Evil, and as such you would become the enemy of not only the lawless and criminal ellements of the city, but also those who are Good and lawful and are fighting against tyrany and oppression (such as the Paladin Vigilanty)
Your Character is Lawful Evil.
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Good, in my opinion do not dispatch people in such a way to cause pain, without some feelings of remorse. The fact that the character takes pleasure in this speaks to his nature.
Last I checked (pre-4E), Lawful does not mean "obeys the laws" rather it's more of a duty/consistency thing.
Someone who is lawful is likely to get up at the same time every day, eat the same things, and go do what he does every day (whether that's killing criminals or farming). Whether or not the character obeys the law of the land is immaterial if he does what he does consistently.
The character above definitely Lawful. He treats all criminals with equally indiscriminate punishment.
Totally agree that he is Lawful, but I argue Lawful Neutral is the guy.
Look, you might do good but you also do evil: you walk a fine line and so stay neutral, but with slight evil and slight good tendencies.
Look, you might do good but you also do evil: you walk a fine line and so stay neutral, but with slight evil and slight good tendencies.
The more I hear about him, the more evil he is. Takes a lot of good to balance out murder and the various other crimes he has committed. Not to mention, abusing laws for personal gain is what lawful evil is about.
Now, you can claim he's lawful because he's got his own personal code of conduct. I don't buy it, as his code of conduct seems to be: if I like you, you live, if I don't, I'll find a way to screw you. That's not a code of behavior that goes with a lawful neutral person.
He's a power-tripping psychopath, a corrupt cop, the guy who winds up leading the group of thugs in the post-apocalyptic world. He's the type of character you put in a Steven Seagal movie to make Seagal's character seem likable in comparison.
This also leads on to my second point of him being chaotic, he doesn't act in an ordered manner as a lawful character would do. Whether he follows the law is irrelevant to having a lawful alignment and although your character appears and may even believe himself to have a personal code of honour he misses no opportunity to break it or twist it. You say he carries out the law but he only does so according to his ideas of law when he isn't ignoring it completely. These are the extracts I think prove your character is evil and/or chaotic
And without sufficient evidence, I killed the assaliant.
Murder without just cause is evil and chaotic
He detects evil, he kills it. The thing is, not all evil people are criminals. Some evil people have never commited a crime in their life.
He knows that just because someone is evil they don't deserve to die but he kills any way, evil but maybe be lawful if this is a typical code
He is merciful to lawbreakers if they're not inheritly evil. If he sees a scrawny little goblin who looks like he hasn't eaten steal grocceries, he'll give him a scolding, but otherwise let him go. Just the sight of this "officer" should scare him straight. And he even fealt so bad for this goblin he told him he'd pay him to clean his clothes and weapons. Basically he turned this starving goblin into his servant.
Chaotic as he is breaking his code of carrying out the law
He's not so good hearted to othes however. A corrupt politician, who he deeply despises, he left alone on the basis he hasn't broken a law. When he finds out about his embezzlement schemes. He gets brutal.
Evil due to the fact that chopping someones arms off is not proportionate punishment for embezzlement even in the middle ages
He hides their body in the forest to avoid littering but commits the crimes of illegal dumping, stealing and perverting the course of justice. Probably N
When they say "I don't know anything" he looks'em in the eye with intimidation "are you sure?" and usually they get all scared and soil themself
Technically common law assault and scaring people and ruingin their pants while breaking the law isn't good or lawful but I'd ignore that as far as dnd goes.
They can be a tool to falsly incriminate this crook...
But if they are falsly incriminated then he knows he is breaking the law and is punishing them because he wants to while using the law as an excuse. Evil and Chaotic
...So he dropped her right out of his arms and said "sorry for the pummeling citizens, carry out your justice"
He not only lets criminals (pimping and extotion are crimes) commit assault and battery but he also believes that his good intentions and saying sorry should get him off the hook for beating people to the ground. IMO evil and chaotic (punishing some crimes while letting others pass) but could be argued.
He doesn't like the binder.. He's just waiting to find a town with strict immigration laws, and him illegaly summon a sentinent alien onto the territory. That way he can take him down. The binder's not really a lawbreaker...
He doesn't like someone and he wants to take them down and he is waiting until he can use the law as an excuse, likely to unleash punishment of extreme beatdown. The epitome of lawful evil but without the lawful part.
...Why do we have to arrest him? Who's going to know we killed him?
Warblade: For once the skank is right. There would be no substantial evidence that we killed this creep. Furthermore, there's no substantial evidence that this innocent civillian burned those documents...
You kill someone without evidence and then burn the body to go unpunished. How in the name of all that is holy can that be seen as a lawful good action.
He is evil. Maybe Lawful Evil but the PHB description says lawful characters tell the truth, keep their word, respect authority honor tradition and judge those who fall short of their duty (so dragging bodies into the forest of setting them on fire to pervert the course of justice isn't lawful?). I'd say Neutral Evil or maybe CE
He was going to be lawful evil.. But when we all went searching for the paladin, the GM even gave us little notes that we were to write our responses of how we handled the situation on the back of them. No ooc metagaming.. The "paladin" was very clever, and knew we were after him.
Apparently after the game was over, we found out that..
A: The Binder was willing to cut a deal with the paladin. That if he killed us, to save our blood in vials. That he wanted it for a ritual. And he offered to not try and stop him if he agreed to spare his life and save the blod. The paladin called him a coward and a poor excuse of a human being, which ofcourse I then saw the binder running away screaming "help!" and he confronted me. An equally evil force at first. But with a more lawful bent. So he actually tryed to "bring me to the light".
You're with the feds! You should understand my holy mission more then anyone! This country has become a decedent hole, not habitable for anyone! We have to kill the criminals! Fines and slaps on the wrists just won't cut it! We don't have time to give everyone the court case they need. If we see them commiting a crime, they're clearly guilty!
That sounds familiar.. XP The largest crime industry was the illegal sex rings. Which he too was disgusted with. But then I gave him my "peace offering".
Freedom is slavery if you ask me. Freedom leads most often to pain, failure, and poverty.. But freedom is what people want.. it’s what they crave. Thier curiosity combined with naivity and arrogance leaves them craving for more and more freedom, even when they can’t handle the freedom they got! That's all these dogs can think about.. is how to get more freedom so they can abuse it!
What would make a dog suffer more? To tie him to a tree, or to let him roam and get himself killed?
If I tie him to the tree, I get to see him spin around in circles, barking at others at the end of his chain, and generally sigh as the world goes right pass him. He’s definitely in pain..
If I let him roam. He’s going to be hungry, he’s going to be scared, he’s never going to know what comes next, and is constantly going to be struggling to stay alive.. I won’t see his pain, but I know it’ll be more then I have the soul or the means to dishout..
For someone who wants to make sure these dogs get their day... Is fascism or anarchy the way to go? If I adhere to the principles bestilled in me by the feds, I'm going to have to kill you and tie those dogs to a tree. If I don't, maybe we can work out a deal, and kill some of those dogs without the feds knowledge, and let the rest kill themselves out of fear and paranoia..
The paladin actually looked like the goodguy lol! Being a crazed serial killer on a holy mission, he was upsetted by the fact I enjoyed what he and I did. Afterall, why not enjoy your work? But also that a fed could be so ambivalant about the law, and only follows it because he hasn't madeup his mind if he wants to see the world shackled or on fire. But will work either way to make sure atleast one of those results happens..
So the paladin's last words were "You're not a sinner! You're THE sinner!" But sense the others heard the binder's screaming, everybody came. The party, a couple of other fed officers. The man was sorrounded.
So an epic fight ensued, and we killed him. Which was dissapointing. I was kind of hoping we'd have this psycho to use as a tank. But he probably would've killed us all in our sleep anyway lol!
The GM also agreed that I was overstepping my bounds as a fed, and because they helped catch the big serial killer. They've all become honorary officers. Obviously not as authentic as me, so it's like comparing a couple of privates to a sergant. I still have authority over them. But killing them would be more suspicious... The feds didn't think anything of the vigilante force, they knew we were vigilantes, but it came from "head command". Turns out head command knew about me, the serial killer, the vigilantes I hangout with. Everything. "Head command" is a lich. Dun-DUN-DUUUUN! lol!
A lich?! How predictable is that?!
Should my character just like, kill herself? I don't see how I can be saintly anymore.. I really don't.. why did I even bother being a favored soul?!
And "head command" says that he wants to use feds even after they die but the law forbids undead. It's a violation of mortal rights, and is forbdden magics.. So now, he's going to send us on missions that on the surface would seem criminal to assasinate different politicians and other legal entities in the espionage goal of getting head command to be able to legally use magics so that the same officers can remain on this plane long after they died and enforce the law.
That sounds kind of like what you would've done Jim.. Sept.. you know.. he's competent at it.. and you're not..
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I don't want to be no icky undead! I'll look all gross and stuffs!
Apparently, once undead raising is legalized. Based on our "rank", we will earn a different form of undead. Right now though none of us are looking too good. Mostly because we've all acted really stupid and left a wake of destruction. Like nobody's going to notice this band of vigilantes is seen with the same fed everytime? And stories don't get around town?
So we actually went under "plastic surgery" (IE: permanent disguise self) to undergo this mission as spies. The problem is, now I can abuse my authority as a fed. I can't get people to just give their stuff by barking an order, I can't talk to the feds like friends at the bar, now I have to be careful what I do and say cause the feds don't know we're working for the head master. He'd only ever so slightly help us by pulling some strings to insure were not incarcerated.
So now we're the lapdogs of one the big bad villains and I lost my badge without ever actually being discovered of my law-breaking! >: \ (Well, I kind of was discovered.. but you get the idea..)
And no, James was not totally left off the hook either.. Apparently his ritual where he wanted to use our blood was something the fiends were looking foward too. So now they haunt his dreams, "more blood for the blood god! More blood for THE BLOOD GOD!" And ever so often he has some OCD attack where like he can't open a doorknob, or he is stunned in the middle of battle. It's not going to be permanent. But apparently the GM's cracking down on the karma meter.. -__-
And now he's thinking about seperating the party into two groups. Based on Jessica's disdain for being the girl who's going to save The Pelor church then turn around and do this crap.. Obviously it's not offical yet. But if the teams were to seperate I'd know they become..
Team Go-Getters:
Deck, Jessica, and Lacey.
Team Meanies:
James, Julz, Jim.
Yes. I suggested those names for the teams if it comes to that.. :P
Lacey: You got that off fricking pokemon!
Julz: Hey, I liked that game!
Lacey: You would..
Deck: **** YEAH! SEAKING! *playfully tackles Lacey*
Lacey: -___-
Julz: Can we have a retcon and change our classes/abilities to be like pokemon?! :D
GM: ....Oh, you're serious? Ehh... that'd require alot of work I don't feel like going through...
Jim: I could help. We could justify it like with our plastic surgery wasn't just a disguise self but an entire polymorph overhaul!
Julz: YES! WE GET TO BE POKEMON! *Starts singing the what kind of pokemon are you song*
James: Damnit Jim! This game was lame enough. We don't need it having fricking pokemanz!
GM: My game is lame huh?
James: Heheh.. you--you misunderstand!
GM: Right. -_-
Deck: I WANT TO BE SEAKING! **** YEAH SEAKING!
*James punches Jim in the arm*
Jim: Ow! What was that for?
James: You're the one that showed Deck 4chan! Now he's not gonna' shutup! >: \
Deck: I finnally get it! Necro did it for the lulz!
Jessica: I changed my mind. James, if we end up pokemanz I want you to be on me and Lacey's team. Leave Jim to have to deal with all the /b/tards..
James: That's not a half a bad idea..
Now I have a week to comeup with a pokemon type system where we can be monsters that wouldn't make the party unbalanced. (We were doing so well lol!)
If I can do that, he'll give it a whirl. If the game proves cumbersome, it "will have never happened" and just been a breather from serious business game..
Mostly I'm just doing it for Julz. Also so we can "evolve" into bigger, badder monsters when we prove to be competent henchmen.. But we can also earn stat points, feats, new abilities, etc. Like the pokemon game..
Some obvious ones would be wights evolve into lavawights. Or goblins evolve into blues.
I obviously got a long ways to go.. Or may require some point building and I'll just be like "here's our sheets everybody" and let the GM look over it lol! Though they won't like that not having any control over what kind of monster they become..
I should've never opened my mouth and meationed pokemon lol!
The GM told me over IM if we're going to emphasize monsters instead of fantasy elements of classes/humanoids versus those monsters. He's going to establish anti-monster measurements such as pokeballs to capture us rather then kill us. XP What better way to arrest someone then weaken their HP so they're more suseptable to being captured into a pokeball? Something like pokeball is thrown at you, roll a d100 and try to roll equal to or bellow your current HP amount to escape it. (He loves percentile rolls)
Judge Dredd is Lawful Neutral. He obeys the letter of the law. Break it and pay. He'd have prosecuted the goblin. After he had his punishment, then he might help.
Yup. Judge Dredd = "I am the law!" not "I am the good!"
Yup. Judge Dredd = "I am the law!" not "I am the good!"
Indeed.
It's worth noting that Dredd doesn't always agree with the law though. He doesn't actually think he can dictate the law, just that he is the judge and enforces it.
He petitions and fights to have laws changed when mutants are being discriminated against. He fights to make the system work well, but he still follows the law above all else, even if he disagrees with it.
The best example of dredd as the law, is that they never, ever show his face. The law has no face. The law is the law.
Well, anyone who believes in social order as a source of security is Lawful; and JD definately believes in mandated officaldome over Vigillantes at every turn.
The tricky part is the good/neutral/evil part, which is generally so poorly defined in DnD as to not resemble anything we might usually think of as good.
Neutral: because it has been decided as thus.
Evil: for myself.
This character fluctuates wildly between G N and E. So I'd say he is sinusoidal.:D
Law > Good or Evil. Thus, Lawful Neutral.
Actually, I recall a clan (an online gaming group) led by a guy named Judge Dredd. Was a real messed up clan, with a secret court system, secret forums and tribunals, all sorts of stuff one would associate with fascism. Was really psychotic. I think there's some sort of paper online about it.