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#1
duskblade_007
May 07, 2008 22:08:05 I like to play power gamed chacters. I diligently look through most of the d&d sorcebooks to build the best chacters that I can, best feats, best spells, armour weapons items, ect, that make my chacters not just good but great, I play with people who spend maybe 1/20th of the time I do on chacter creation, and so when one of my chacters takes the spotlight for monster slaying coolness, the others start to protest, either by rules lawering,in the monster's favor, or talking to the dm and telling her that her play style was affected by my being there. all of this leads to one dm killing two of mychacters in one game, one with magic jar, with the possesing wizard suiciding my chacter, and not giving me a saving throw after dmage was delt, and then throwing an alleged cr19 at the other 15 mins later, that he did not have rolled up, or the book for, and then just whimsaly decreed my chacter dead, the only player who helped me was my brother who was also defeated without a die being rolled, ofcorse the BM is always right. and the other BM two weeks after inviting me and my brother to her game, (we played one session) gave us a sob story of how she has to work with mentaly challenged people, and they just give her a fit, and one of her daughters has such violent temper tantrums that she is afraid her neighbors will call child services on her and thats why we cant play in her game. oh the things I could say about this.
what do some of you think about this? how should I handle this sort of group behivor? or should I just bring a supersoaker to a game of d&d?
#2
dead_pool
May 07, 2008 23:59:24 if the only people you have to game with do not like powergameing don't do it. it's that simple.I started gaiming in a group that exclusivly powergaimed and just recently started a few games that are extremely low powered. I am extremely surprised at how much more fun it is to rely on role playing rather than just makeing monsters go splat. just something to think about.
#3
etarnon
May 08, 2008 0:00:54 Maybe try and fit in more?

I still don't get the part about the girl with the mentally challenged fit / whatever.

Certainly seems like your style clashes with these people, and your levels of PC power, etc. for your characters unbalances / threatens their games.

I'd seek a game elsewhere.
#4
farsouth
May 08, 2008 0:48:16 Kudos to you for correctly identifying the problems:
you spend twenty times the amount of time that the others do making up your characters
you look through most of the sourcebooks to create the best mechanics for your characters
you powergame

From the sound of it, it's possible that the characters you create are basically a collection of overpowered statistics and pretty light on as far as actual character goes. Just guessing.

What you're looking for in a game seems to be quite different to the rest of the group. So either find a different group to indulge your powergaming, or divert some of the effort you put into researching the best spells, feats etc into developing a character that can be memorable for more than just killing things.

As Etarnon puts it...try and fit in more.
#5
kelvinaw273
May 08, 2008 2:13:07 Basically, your play style does not fit in with that of the groups you play with. This leaves you with two options:

1) Tone down the powergaming, make characters for fun and fluff, not crunch and kill. You may find you enjoy it!

2) Leave and find another group.

That's it really. Oh, and forget the supersoaker, that won't solve anything, although it may convince your fellow players that you really are an asshat out to spoil their fun, regardless of how true this is.
#6
Mad_Jack
May 08, 2008 2:21:56 In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

You want to powergame? In a non-optimized party, even a "just sort-of optimized" character is going to stand out.

If you want to play in that game, then play by their rules. It's that simple.

They're obviously going to nerf your usual level of optimization (because their game is obviously not about being uber-l33t godz), so just play a character that fits in with the tone of their game - consider it a challenge to your optimizing skills to come up with something that's optimized as much as possible *within the limits of the game you're in*.
If their game is more about role-playing and character development than book-keeping your combat modifiers, then optimization in that game means creating the most interesting, in-depth personality for your character, and not just a badass stat-block.

Just a piece of advice, from somebody who's been playing for decades.... It's much better to be the solid rock in the background, that the party can't get along without, than to be the superstar out front, trying to be the "best" and hogging the spotlight. If you're the only one keeping score, then it doesn't matter whether or not you "win".
#7
tytalus
May 08, 2008 6:00:30
1) Tone down the powergaming, make characters for fun and fluff, not crunch and kill. You may find you enjoy it!

2) Leave and find another group.

That's it really.

I'd add:

3) Optimize a support/enabler/buffer role and let others shine. Few gamers have problems with that.
#8
crimsondeath
May 08, 2008 11:09:34
I'd add:

3) Optimize a support/enabler/buffer role and let others shine. Few gamers have problems with that.

A few weeks ago, there was a post here (or maybe "What's a DM to Do") about a Bard who was too good at Inspire Courage. So, apparently some people have a problem with it... But it's probably the best suggestion for an optimizer who wants to fit in with an unoptimized party.
#9
themocaw
May 08, 2008 12:51:59 Powergame a deliberately unoptimized character. For instance: create an unarmed fighter who doesn't have ANY levels in monk, or build a melee sorcerer. Or, horror of horrors, try to play a character with 6 CON.
#10
duskblade_007
May 09, 2008 8:16:09 I thank you for the advise, on needing more chacter in my chacters, and not to dis credit your advise but I have been in a play or two and have mad acting skills, so when i roleplay the mind of a child fighter "int3" who only wants to do the right thing i sort of take the spot light (asking the wizard to sharpen my sword for me was just awe inspireing, ever helpful dm ruled that he lost a finger, oh yeah and asking the cleric why the orc I just power attacked in two "was not wakeing up" and of corse crying about killing it after a long lecture 'of mice and men' ) forgetful wizard (now where did i put those spell componets, oh look my pipe I think I'll have a smoke while i look for my ... what was I looking for again) and lets not forget the rouge (hush hush and go to sleep now little orc and dream in the abyss) i might have crossed the twisted line with that guy when I had him torture the paldian's npc love intrest to death with his holy advenger sword, hay she was a dopleganger, but good alined, how was my guy suppose to know?)
I'm not even going to mention my cleric, oops just did.
none of these were powergamed just player's handbook stuff, al beit that I did follow feat trees just like every one else.
#11
dravda
May 09, 2008 20:30:20
I like to play power gamed chacters. I diligently look through most of the d&d sorcebooks to build the best chacters that I can, best feats, best spells, armour weapons items, ect, that make my chacters not just good but great, I play with people who spend maybe 1/20th of the time I do on chacter creation, and so when one of my chacters takes the spotlight for monster slaying coolness, the others start to protest, either by rules lawering,in the monster's favor, or talking to the dm and telling her that her play style was affected by my being there. all of this leads to one dm killing two of mychacters in one game, one with magic jar, with the possesing wizard suiciding my chacter, and not giving me a saving throw after dmage was delt, and then throwing an alleged cr19 at the other 15 mins later, that he did not have rolled up, or the book for, and then just whimsaly decreed my chacter dead, the only player who helped me was my brother who was also defeated without a die being rolled, ofcorse the BM is always right. and the other BM two weeks after inviting me and my brother to her game, (we played one session) gave us a sob story of how she has to work with mentaly challenged people, and they just give her a fit, and one of her daughters has such violent temper tantrums that she is afraid her neighbors will call child services on her and thats why we cant play in her game. oh the things I could say about this.
what do some of you think about this? how should I handle this sort of group behivor? or should I just bring a supersoaker to a game of d&d?

Wall of text hits you for 3d6 damage.

-Count Dravda
#12
jage
May 10, 2008 0:40:40
I still don't get the part about the girl with the mentally challenged fit / whatever.

Sounds like "I'd like you to leave and not come back." couched in less than point blank rhetoric, which was interpreted only as expressed back to us... remember some people actually do try to be nice in RL instead of just blasting you with "You're an asshat. Get out." as is more often than not suggested on these boards.

On the other hand, she could have been saying I can't deal with one more mentally challenged person in my life, especially since you're not family.

It's hard to tell... the translation is a bit garbled.
#13
duskblade_007
May 10, 2008 9:10:59
Wall of text hits you for 3d6 damage.

-Count Dravda

Smighting Spell shocking grasp, activate wand chambered eturnal wand of fist of stone arcane channeling shocking grasp, sudden maximize, apply supernatural crusader feat swing Razor sharp Dragoncraft great sword of frost and spellstoring+2 hits for this much 10d6 +30 electric + 1 acid +2d6+14 :P
this at lv 6 (rubbs hands with evil glee)
#14
duskblade_007
May 10, 2008 9:18:59
Sounds like "I'd like you to leave and not come back." couched in less than point blank rhetoric, which was interpreted only as expressed back to us... remember some people actually do try to be nice in RL instead of just blasting you with "You're an asshat. Get out." as is more often than not suggested on these boards.

On the other hand, she could have been saying I can't deal with one more mentally challenged person in my life, especially since you're not family.

It's hard to tell... the translation is a bit garbled.

thats what I think too, but I also think she thinks I'm trying to hit on her, Dude she's 45 and I aint that desperate.
#15
sirdanile
May 13, 2008 16:12:56 try powergaming/ optimizing a class that naturally sucks and bring it up to their level.
Maybe try not roleplaying someone with a 3 int...wis... or cha..?

or tone down your powergaming/get a support class.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 duskblade_007 May 07, 2008 22:08:05	I like to play power gamed chacters. I diligently look through most of the d&d sorcebooks to build the best chacters that I can, best feats, best spells, armour weapons items, ect, that make my chacters not just good but great, I play with people who spend maybe 1/20th of the time I do on chacter creation, and so when one of my chacters takes the spotlight for monster slaying coolness, the others start to protest, either by rules lawering,in the monster's favor, or talking to the dm and telling her that her play style was affected by my being there. all of this leads to one dm killing two of mychacters in one game, one with magic jar, with the possesing wizard suiciding my chacter, and not giving me a saving throw after dmage was delt, and then throwing an alleged cr19 at the other 15 mins later, that he did not have rolled up, or the book for, and then just whimsaly decreed my chacter dead, the only player who helped me was my brother who was also defeated without a die being rolled, ofcorse the BM is always right. and the other BM two weeks after inviting me and my brother to her game, (we played one session) gave us a sob story of how she has to work with mentaly challenged people, and they just give her a fit, and one of her daughters has such violent temper tantrums that she is afraid her neighbors will call child services on her and thats why we cant play in her game. oh the things I could say about this. what do some of you think about this? how should I handle this sort of group behivor? or should I just bring a supersoaker to a game of d&d?
#2 dead_pool May 07, 2008 23:59:24	if the only people you have to game with do not like powergameing don't do it. it's that simple.I started gaiming in a group that exclusivly powergaimed and just recently started a few games that are extremely low powered. I am extremely surprised at how much more fun it is to rely on role playing rather than just makeing monsters go splat. just something to think about.
#3 etarnon May 08, 2008 0:00:54	Maybe try and fit in more? I still don't get the part about the girl with the mentally challenged fit / whatever. Certainly seems like your style clashes with these people, and your levels of PC power, etc. for your characters unbalances / threatens their games. I'd seek a game elsewhere.
#4 farsouth May 08, 2008 0:48:16	Kudos to you for correctly identifying the problems: you spend twenty times the amount of time that the others do making up your characters you look through most of the sourcebooks to create the best mechanics for your characters you powergame From the sound of it, it's possible that the characters you create are basically a collection of overpowered statistics and pretty light on as far as actual character goes. Just guessing. What you're looking for in a game seems to be quite different to the rest of the group. So either find a different group to indulge your powergaming, or divert some of the effort you put into researching the best spells, feats etc into developing a character that can be memorable for more than just killing things. As Etarnon puts it...try and fit in more.
#5 kelvinaw273 May 08, 2008 2:13:07	Basically, your play style does not fit in with that of the groups you play with. This leaves you with two options: 1) Tone down the powergaming, make characters for fun and fluff, not crunch and kill. You may find you enjoy it! 2) Leave and find another group. That's it really. Oh, and forget the supersoaker, that won't solve anything, although it may convince your fellow players that you really are an asshat out to spoil their fun, regardless of how true this is.
#6 Mad_Jack May 08, 2008 2:21:56	In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. You want to powergame? In a non-optimized party, even a "just sort-of optimized" character is going to stand out. If you want to play in that game, then play by their rules. It's that simple. They're obviously going to nerf your usual level of optimization (because their game is obviously not about being uber-l33t godz), so just play a character that fits in with the tone of their game - consider it a challenge to your optimizing skills to come up with something that's optimized as much as possible within the limits of the game you're in. If their game is more about role-playing and character development than book-keeping your combat modifiers, then optimization in that game means creating the most interesting, in-depth personality for your character, and not just a badass stat-block. Just a piece of advice, from somebody who's been playing for decades.... It's much better to be the solid rock in the background, that the party can't get along without, than to be the superstar out front, trying to be the "best" and hogging the spotlight. If you're the only one keeping score, then it doesn't matter whether or not you "win".
#7 tytalus May 08, 2008 6:00:30	1) Tone down the powergaming, make characters for fun and fluff, not crunch and kill. You may find you enjoy it! 2) Leave and find another group. That's it really. I'd add: 3) Optimize a support/enabler/buffer role and let others shine. Few gamers have problems with that.
#8 crimsondeath May 08, 2008 11:09:34	I'd add: 3) Optimize a support/enabler/buffer role and let others shine. Few gamers have problems with that. A few weeks ago, there was a post here (or maybe "What's a DM to Do") about a Bard who was too good at Inspire Courage. So, apparently some people have a problem with it... But it's probably the best suggestion for an optimizer who wants to fit in with an unoptimized party.
#9 themocaw May 08, 2008 12:51:59	Powergame a deliberately unoptimized character. For instance: create an unarmed fighter who doesn't have ANY levels in monk, or build a melee sorcerer. Or, horror of horrors, try to play a character with 6 CON.
#10 duskblade_007 May 09, 2008 8:16:09	I thank you for the advise, on needing more chacter in my chacters, and not to dis credit your advise but I have been in a play or two and have mad acting skills, so when i roleplay the mind of a child fighter "int3" who only wants to do the right thing i sort of take the spot light (asking the wizard to sharpen my sword for me was just awe inspireing, ever helpful dm ruled that he lost a finger, oh yeah and asking the cleric why the orc I just power attacked in two "was not wakeing up" and of corse crying about killing it after a long lecture 'of mice and men' ) forgetful wizard (now where did i put those spell componets, oh look my pipe I think I'll have a smoke while i look for my ... what was I looking for again) and lets not forget the rouge (hush hush and go to sleep now little orc and dream in the abyss) i might have crossed the twisted line with that guy when I had him torture the paldian's npc love intrest to death with his holy advenger sword, hay she was a dopleganger, but good alined, how was my guy suppose to know?) I'm not even going to mention my cleric, oops just did. none of these were powergamed just player's handbook stuff, al beit that I did follow feat trees just like every one else.
#11 dravda May 09, 2008 20:30:20	I like to play power gamed chacters. I diligently look through most of the d&d sorcebooks to build the best chacters that I can, best feats, best spells, armour weapons items, ect, that make my chacters not just good but great, I play with people who spend maybe 1/20th of the time I do on chacter creation, and so when one of my chacters takes the spotlight for monster slaying coolness, the others start to protest, either by rules lawering,in the monster's favor, or talking to the dm and telling her that her play style was affected by my being there. all of this leads to one dm killing two of mychacters in one game, one with magic jar, with the possesing wizard suiciding my chacter, and not giving me a saving throw after dmage was delt, and then throwing an alleged cr19 at the other 15 mins later, that he did not have rolled up, or the book for, and then just whimsaly decreed my chacter dead, the only player who helped me was my brother who was also defeated without a die being rolled, ofcorse the BM is always right. and the other BM two weeks after inviting me and my brother to her game, (we played one session) gave us a sob story of how she has to work with mentaly challenged people, and they just give her a fit, and one of her daughters has such violent temper tantrums that she is afraid her neighbors will call child services on her and thats why we cant play in her game. oh the things I could say about this. what do some of you think about this? how should I handle this sort of group behivor? or should I just bring a supersoaker to a game of d&d? Wall of text hits you for 3d6 damage. -Count Dravda
#12 jage May 10, 2008 0:40:40	I still don't get the part about the girl with the mentally challenged fit / whatever. Sounds like "I'd like you to leave and not come back." couched in less than point blank rhetoric, which was interpreted only as expressed back to us... remember some people actually do try to be nice in RL instead of just blasting you with "You're an asshat. Get out." as is more often than not suggested on these boards. On the other hand, she could have been saying I can't deal with one more mentally challenged person in my life, especially since you're not family. It's hard to tell... the translation is a bit garbled.
#13 duskblade_007 May 10, 2008 9:10:59	Wall of text hits you for 3d6 damage. -Count Dravda Smighting Spell shocking grasp, activate wand chambered eturnal wand of fist of stone arcane channeling shocking grasp, sudden maximize, apply supernatural crusader feat swing Razor sharp Dragoncraft great sword of frost and spellstoring+2 hits for this much 10d6 +30 electric + 1 acid +2d6+14 :P this at lv 6 (rubbs hands with evil glee)
#14 duskblade_007 May 10, 2008 9:18:59	Sounds like "I'd like you to leave and not come back." couched in less than point blank rhetoric, which was interpreted only as expressed back to us... remember some people actually do try to be nice in RL instead of just blasting you with "You're an asshat. Get out." as is more often than not suggested on these boards. On the other hand, she could have been saying I can't deal with one more mentally challenged person in my life, especially since you're not family. It's hard to tell... the translation is a bit garbled. thats what I think too, but I also think she thinks I'm trying to hit on her, Dude she's 45 and I aint that desperate.
#15 sirdanile May 13, 2008 16:12:56	try powergaming/ optimizing a class that naturally sucks and bring it up to their level. Maybe try not roleplaying someone with a 3 int...wis... or cha..? or tone down your powergaming/get a support class.