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#1 Kevin_Video Apr 17, 2009 18:57:40	This hasn't really been addressed yet so I'm going to be making it into a separate threat altogether, instead of lumping it together with other things. According to Brilliant Gameologists, an aquatic longbow, a longbow, and an elven longbow, all count as a "longbow" with regards to the Weapon Focus feat. Can anyone please back that up? Currently, my DM does not allow this. He wants one focus for each weapon, and it's not a houserule that's making him say this. He just can't find any proof otherwise, and neither can I. He also said that Brilliant Gameologists were retarded and wrong.
#2 Kerrus Apr 18, 2009 10:44:19	Weapon Focus operates for weapons of a given type. That is, from a fluff perspective as I'm sure your DM is operating, weapons of a given size, configuration, and weight. Longbows all roughly fall into the same size, weight, shape and configuration. If you paint a longbow red, it's still a longbow. Similarly, if you make it out of dragonbone, it's still a longbow. Irregardless of what it's made out of, so long as the basic weight, shape, size and configuration remain the same, it still operates under the same principles. If you train to focus on something that operates within that paradigm, then anything that fits within those operational parameters counts as a longbow. But let's look at other weapons. If someone takes 'weapon focus: Rapier' then they can use that with all rapiers. They don't have to take 'Weapon Focus: That rapier that old smith Jijoh Duskmantle crafted for me two years ago', they take 'Weapon Focus: Rapier' When you get right down to it, it looks like your DM is treating the different 'longbows' as specific unique weapons that don't fall into any established category. It is D&D convention that a weapon operates according to its name. A rapier is a weapon that the name says 'yadda yadda rapier' or 'yadda yadda this weapon counts as a rapier'. Similarly, a longbow is any weapon that says longbow. Basically, it boils down to telling your DM this: "The game is not trying to trick you." The game has no ulterior agenda. It's not out to 'get' you. It is, on the baseline, telling the truth. If the game tells you that a weapon is a longbow, it's a longbow. It's not lying to you. The VERY FIRST THING weapon focus says is "Choose one TYPE of weapon." Longbow is a type. Whether red, purple, on fire, or made of mithral, it's still a longbow. The term longbow represents the configuration, shape, wieght, and relative size of the weapon. Provided that the relative size remains the same, it doesn't matter if that changes. You don't need 'Weapon Focus: Size Medium Longbow' so your weapon focus works with it even if it's a size large weapon. Similarly, since weapon focus applies to a TYPE of weapon, it applies to all weapons of that TYPE- all weapons that are named 'Longbow' Now if Weapon Focus said "This applies to a single weapon you own, and if you lose that weapon you lose the effects of this feat" then your DM might have a real case. But since it says 'TYPE' then you're in the free and clear. Now if your DM wants to fiat this away, by all means he can, but he'll have to be clear that it's actually him doing this, and not the game.
#3 Kevin_Video Apr 27, 2009 17:52:47	The DM finally accepted the feat so long as I have Weapon Attitude +1 weapon bonus on it.
#4 Janx_14 Apr 27, 2009 18:28:38	Weapon Aptitude +1? what edition is this?