Need an Expert. Does this work? And would you allow it as DM?

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#1

Escantia

Oct 13, 2013 23:12:38

So here is what I plan on doing soon. I will be level 15 in a few weeks and I came up with this idea. Using the spell "Awaken Sand" with a Rod of maximize and Sudden Empower I should be able to create an animated object that has an INT of 27, CHA of 27, and WIS of 27 due to the maximized and empowerd 3d6 stats. Also using sculpt spell and sudden widen should allow me to make it 80ft wide by 80 ft tall by 20 ft wide. (If I am wrong or miscalculated then by all means let me know) I'm not sure how to determine STR or DEX for the creature yet but Im assuming due to a colossal creature (which has a space of 30ft) having 28 STR that my Awakened Sand will have even more. So let me know what you think. Would it work? Would you allow it? and what you think in general of the idea? 

Also if I do manage to do it I will not be bringing it along with me on quests, it will ruin the fun for the party. I plan on making it The Gaurdian of Thanos (my city)

#2

Centauri

Oct 14, 2013 12:02:11

You're not really gaining an advantage from any of that, since you're not bringing it on adventures, and you understand that ideas like this would ruin everyone's fun, so I'd allow it, even without all the math. I don't care about the math. You want to make a magical guardian for your city? Cool. Done. Do you want threats to your city to be an interesting part of the game, or is the idea that you want to take the city off the table as something that can be threatened? If you think threats to the city would still be cool, what are some ways it could still be threatened even with this construct in place?

 

Just because anyone here would allow it, though, and even if your math checks out, there's no reason a DM has to accept this. If he wants to keep attacks on the city as an option, he will almost certainly find a way to disallow it, or make you wish you hadn't tried it. The common approach would be Talk to the DM about what you want, outside of the mechanics, and find out what he's open to. The fact that you're not interested in ruining the party's fun should, I think, make any DM more amenable to the idea.

#3

CCS

Oct 14, 2013 13:06:24

Ok, let's asssume 3 things;

1) you've done your math & rules effects combos correctly.

2) that you're playing in my game - because I can't speak for how any other DM would handle it, just myself.

3) that you've got access to whatever you need to pull this off.  This is very important.  Because players in my games don't auto-magically have whatever spells/items/GP they want just because they've hit x lv.  There's often a good bit of work been spent in obtaining them.  Stuff comes from me, the DM, not simply the books.  So if you've got this stuff?  It already means I'm OK with what you can do with it....

 

So you have all that lined up & come to me with the plan.

Now odds are you're planning this thing because of some in-game reason that's already present & I know all about the why behind it.

But sometimes players will hit me with something completely unexpected....  If that's the case here?  Then I'd be asking the same things Centauri is about if you wanted attacks to occur/be more interesting or if you're trying to negate them.   Or is there something else going on?

 

After that?

Sure.  Deduct the resources/time & you've made the sand gaurdian.

 

Of course, no matter what you've intended, all you've really done is provide me with more material to use in interesting ways in the future.....

And use it I will at some point.

So your city?  Will be well protected until the moment I come up with a new twist or plot or whatever.     

 

 

#4

Krusk

Oct 14, 2013 16:36:14

Sure it works (at first, didn't look anything up glance), sure I'd allow it. I think its pretty cool and basically exactly what the intent of the rules is supposed to be.

 

I encourage my players to do interesting things with the rules, and this seems like a great one. Especially if you are using it to protect a city, and not for something like "Auto-win most encounters".

 

Keep in mind I'm probably not your DM, and your DM is under no obligation to listen to me. 

#5

Escantia

Oct 14, 2013 21:30:18

Okay yea, I have done the math a few times and it seems sound. My main question was answered on whether you as a DM would see this as reasonable. Of course it will be up to my DM but the input is still helpful because this is going to be a huge investment of time and planning in game. I plan on using my followers (Leadership feat) to get the supplies I wil need. The purpose behind the Gaurdian is that in our campaign our DM made bad guys up called primordials which are almost gods. They are the size of mountains and are planning on destroying pretty much everything. My city is supposed to be an oasis from harsh life and from the tyrants that rule the surrounding lands. My current DM (we rotate DMs every few months) has already said that he plans on attacking my city. So far he has irritated everyone in the group by rewriting the history of the world over top of our origianl DM's creation, changing the way a spell works if he doesn't like it, and laughing obnoxiously whenever he thinks he has found a way to screw one of us over... For the most part I am trying to keep my character alive and my city standing until the next DM who is far better and actually read the DMG takes over.

#6

Centauri

Oct 14, 2013 22:23:36

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#7

Krusk

Oct 16, 2013 17:58:46

That sounds like you guys should probably just tell that guy he can't DM anymore. At least until he stops doing that sort of thing.

#8

CCS

Oct 17, 2013 13:46:13

Centauri wrote:
#9

Beldak_Serpenthelm

Oct 17, 2013 14:50:21

CCS wrote: