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#1
ryasha
Mar 04, 2010 11:22:39 Ok, one of my friends had decided to convert all his old ravenloft stuff into 4E and run a game for me and a few of my friends. My friends (other than the DM) are used to running hero system type games and what not. And problems have been arrising. Just for instance, one person is wanting to play a shadarkai paladin. He is going to wear plate armor, but he doesnt want to cover his tatoo's/piercings/scars due to his race's history/culture of such things. So the DM decided to say yes, you can take a few pieces of the armor off here or there.. but you have to keep the majority of the armor on.. cause if it starts to disappear its not going to be Plate. But the character was going to keep all the game mechanics/negatives to checks and what not on the armor.. Just wanted it to look better... Another person was going to make a gunslinger/caster by using guns to flavor the spells... like shotgun for burning hands and crap like that... which game master has said is fine just put limitis on it.... there are several other things.. But basically.. I'm just trying to keep the game together.. But everyone is getting pissy about the way things look and work and what not... Any help? comments? i'm all ears yo
#2
pluisjen
Mar 04, 2010 11:42:10 Compromise is key here. You'll have to figure it out between the players and the DM what will and will not be accepted.

If you want more freedom, you could consider a different system, maybe.

Basically; some people enjoy reflavoring everything, and some people don't. When the opinion around the table differs between players, it's bound to get you some conflicts.
#3
farenal
Mar 04, 2010 11:50:55 Fluff should usually be harmless. It really doesn't matter what the plate looks like, however it does matter if it's covering the correct areas. As long as it makes since try and get people to accept it, or at least find some middle ground, like pluisjen said.

Discuss the limits of changing the look of the armor, if the pally doesn't like it maybe he'll be willing to look for a different type of armor?
#4
ryasha
Mar 04, 2010 15:58:48
I appreciate the input. I thought it was pretty silly.. But alas, they have dropped from the game due to not being able to do what they want. No compromise was possible..
#5
lofgren
Mar 04, 2010 18:35:07 Well that's just tragic.
#6
omarmar
Mar 04, 2010 18:36:53 The ages long discussion, how platemail armour should look, some think like this:

while others prefer this:

In the end its up to the DM, and though you can make some consessions, i fully support your DM, if you want to use plate, it should cover MOST of your body or it wouldnt make any sense. Damn young players and their cartoonish idea of things, their colourish garments and skateboards making a raucous in the streets!

Seriously though, it might be for the best just to find new players. If your DM and they can't agree in something like the looks of the armour, it would be a nightmare to try to play every session without some stress. Just find a DM that you feel comfotable with, or a party that suits you, you will enjoy the game a lot more that way.

Finally, a link to a relevant thread, community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... ways things are depicted seem to be a central concern for some people, and it was not a joke, how platemail should look is a topic which coutless threads in the web have discussed, always to no concensus.

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#1 ryasha Mar 04, 2010 11:22:39	Ok, one of my friends had decided to convert all his old ravenloft stuff into 4E and run a game for me and a few of my friends. My friends (other than the DM) are used to running hero system type games and what not. And problems have been arrising. Just for instance, one person is wanting to play a shadarkai paladin. He is going to wear plate armor, but he doesnt want to cover his tatoo's/piercings/scars due to his race's history/culture of such things. So the DM decided to say yes, you can take a few pieces of the armor off here or there.. but you have to keep the majority of the armor on.. cause if it starts to disappear its not going to be Plate. But the character was going to keep all the game mechanics/negatives to checks and what not on the armor.. Just wanted it to look better... Another person was going to make a gunslinger/caster by using guns to flavor the spells... like shotgun for burning hands and crap like that... which game master has said is fine just put limitis on it.... there are several other things.. But basically.. I'm just trying to keep the game together.. But everyone is getting pissy about the way things look and work and what not... Any help? comments? i'm all ears yo
#2 pluisjen Mar 04, 2010 11:42:10	Compromise is key here. You'll have to figure it out between the players and the DM what will and will not be accepted. If you want more freedom, you could consider a different system, maybe. Basically; some people enjoy reflavoring everything, and some people don't. When the opinion around the table differs between players, it's bound to get you some conflicts.
#3 farenal Mar 04, 2010 11:50:55	Fluff should usually be harmless. It really doesn't matter what the plate looks like, however it does matter if it's covering the correct areas. As long as it makes since try and get people to accept it, or at least find some middle ground, like pluisjen said. Discuss the limits of changing the look of the armor, if the pally doesn't like it maybe he'll be willing to look for a different type of armor?
#4 ryasha Mar 04, 2010 15:58:48	I appreciate the input. I thought it was pretty silly.. But alas, they have dropped from the game due to not being able to do what they want. No compromise was possible..
#5 lofgren Mar 04, 2010 18:35:07	Well that's just tragic.
#6 omarmar Mar 04, 2010 18:36:53	The ages long discussion, how platemail armour should look, some think like this: while others prefer this: In the end its up to the DM, and though you can make some consessions, i fully support your DM, if you want to use plate, it should cover MOST of your body or it wouldnt make any sense. Damn young players and their cartoonish idea of things, their colourish garments and skateboards making a raucous in the streets! Seriously though, it might be for the best just to find new players. If your DM and they can't agree in something like the looks of the armour, it would be a nightmare to try to play every session without some stress. Just find a DM that you feel comfotable with, or a party that suits you, you will enjoy the game a lot more that way. Finally, a link to a relevant thread, community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... ways things are depicted seem to be a central concern for some people, and it was not a joke, how platemail should look is a topic which coutless threads in the web have discussed, always to no concensus.