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#1
clig76
Apr 20, 2010 14:50:21 If an character gets pushed but another character is blocking the way does the push just not happen?

Thanks
#2
sillen
Apr 20, 2010 15:17:15 PHB p.286

Clear Path:
Forced movement can’t move a target into a space it couldn’t enter by walking.
The target can’t be forced into an obstacle or made to squeeze into a space.

#3
clig76
Apr 20, 2010 15:21:22 Thanks for the info.

#4
Breadley
Apr 20, 2010 18:18:27 We sometimes houserule guys crashing into each other, but that's just that, a houserule situation.
#5
dragonsblood
Apr 20, 2010 22:23:56
Push: When you push a creature, each square you
move it must place it farther away from you.

So if there is a square next to the character, the pushed creature can move diagonally around the character as long as each square is further away. Nothing says the push has to be in a straight line.
#6
Breadley
Apr 21, 2010 12:21:31
Push: When you push a creature, each square you
move it must place it farther away from you.

So if there is a square next to the character, the pushed creature can move diagonally around the character as long as each square is further away. Nothing says the push has to be in a straight line.

Correct from what I understand of the rules.
#7
kharmin
Apr 21, 2010 12:21:52 Can't one move through ally's spaces? Wouldn't the push just push the character "through" the ally?
#8
dragonsblood
Apr 22, 2010 16:03:22
Can't one move through ally's spaces? Wouldn't the push just push the character "through" the ally?

I could see it going either way.

The reason why allies can go through each other's spaces is because they don't make an effort to impede them like they do enemies. However, if your ally was being forced past you, wouldn't you try to impede them like you would an enemy?

RAW-wise "The target can’t be forced into an obstacle or made to squeeze into a space" could be interpreted as either applying or not applying to occupied squares. Is an ally an obstacle? It can be seen that way. Do you have to squeeze a little for both characters to fit in a space? Yes, more or less.
#9
absimiliard
Apr 23, 2010 8:19:28 RAW seems moderately clear to me.

You can walk through an ally's square, thus you can be pushed/pulled/slid through said square as well.

Exceptions being if you would have to squeeze to pass through the square or if the square contained an obstacle. (maybe an insubstantial monster standing in a pillar for example) But those are less about the pushing through an ally part and more about not pushing through obstacles or squeezing.

-abs
#10
nightwalker450
Apr 23, 2010 9:10:39 You can push the enemy through their allies (other enemies), because they would get out of the way so they wouldn't be pushed themselves (or knocked over by their flying friend).

You can't push an enemy through your allies (their enemies), because their reaction would be to stab, or impale the enemy as they came through (opportunity attack).

So it just makes it easier to say yes through their allies, no through their enemies.
#11
kouk
Apr 23, 2010 11:07:03 It seems much more logical to not allow pushing through anybody's space if the power doesn't allow.

Usually it's not an issue because you have leeway in how to push a target (you can zigzag right around a character).

But I don't see your friends not being able to "catch" you if they're not of a mind to let you pass straight through their space.
#12
allgeek
Apr 26, 2010 15:57:40
Hehe, how did this get to Page 2 without someone suggesting the OP move/re-post to Rules Q&A? ;P
#13
brassbaboon
Apr 26, 2010 22:51:48
RAW seems moderately clear to me.

You can walk through an ally's square, thus you can be pushed/pulled/slid through said square as well.

-abs

No, you can walk through an ally's square because they will make an effort to allow you to pass. If you are being pushed, pulled or slid by an enemy, your ally would just as certainly try to aid you and stop you from being forced.

As a DM I would rule that you could be forced through an ally's square only if the ally says he allows it to happen. A pushed character could request that he be allowed to be pushed, pulled or slid. But normally, no. By the same token, if you want to move through another character's square and the other character says "No, I don't let him" then I would rule that you couldn' t just freely move through the square.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 clig76 Apr 20, 2010 14:50:21	If an character gets pushed but another character is blocking the way does the push just not happen? Thanks
#2 sillen Apr 20, 2010 15:17:15	PHB p.286 Clear Path: Forced movement can’t move a target into a space it couldn’t enter by walking. The target can’t be forced into an obstacle or made to squeeze into a space.
#3 clig76 Apr 20, 2010 15:21:22	Thanks for the info.
#4 Breadley Apr 20, 2010 18:18:27	We sometimes houserule guys crashing into each other, but that's just that, a houserule situation.
#5 dragonsblood Apr 20, 2010 22:23:56	Push: When you push a creature, each square you move it must place it farther away from you. So if there is a square next to the character, the pushed creature can move diagonally around the character as long as each square is further away. Nothing says the push has to be in a straight line.
#6 Breadley Apr 21, 2010 12:21:31	Push: When you push a creature, each square you move it must place it farther away from you. So if there is a square next to the character, the pushed creature can move diagonally around the character as long as each square is further away. Nothing says the push has to be in a straight line. Correct from what I understand of the rules.
#7 kharmin Apr 21, 2010 12:21:52	Can't one move through ally's spaces? Wouldn't the push just push the character "through" the ally?
#8 dragonsblood Apr 22, 2010 16:03:22	Can't one move through ally's spaces? Wouldn't the push just push the character "through" the ally? I could see it going either way. The reason why allies can go through each other's spaces is because they don't make an effort to impede them like they do enemies. However, if your ally was being forced past you, wouldn't you try to impede them like you would an enemy? RAW-wise "The target can’t be forced into an obstacle or made to squeeze into a space" could be interpreted as either applying or not applying to occupied squares. Is an ally an obstacle? It can be seen that way. Do you have to squeeze a little for both characters to fit in a space? Yes, more or less.
#9 absimiliard Apr 23, 2010 8:19:28	RAW seems moderately clear to me. You can walk through an ally's square, thus you can be pushed/pulled/slid through said square as well. Exceptions being if you would have to squeeze to pass through the square or if the square contained an obstacle. (maybe an insubstantial monster standing in a pillar for example) But those are less about the pushing through an ally part and more about not pushing through obstacles or squeezing. -abs
#10 nightwalker450 Apr 23, 2010 9:10:39	You can push the enemy through their allies (other enemies), because they would get out of the way so they wouldn't be pushed themselves (or knocked over by their flying friend). You can't push an enemy through your allies (their enemies), because their reaction would be to stab, or impale the enemy as they came through (opportunity attack). So it just makes it easier to say yes through their allies, no through their enemies.
#11 kouk Apr 23, 2010 11:07:03	It seems much more logical to not allow pushing through anybody's space if the power doesn't allow. Usually it's not an issue because you have leeway in how to push a target (you can zigzag right around a character). But I don't see your friends not being able to "catch" you if they're not of a mind to let you pass straight through their space.
#12 allgeek Apr 26, 2010 15:57:40	Hehe, how did this get to Page 2 without someone suggesting the OP move/re-post to Rules Q&A? ;P
#13 brassbaboon Apr 26, 2010 22:51:48	RAW seems moderately clear to me. You can walk through an ally's square, thus you can be pushed/pulled/slid through said square as well. -abs No, you can walk through an ally's square because they will make an effort to allow you to pass. If you are being pushed, pulled or slid by an enemy, your ally would just as certainly try to aid you and stop you from being forced. As a DM I would rule that you could be forced through an ally's square only if the ally says he allows it to happen. A pushed character could request that he be allowed to be pushed, pulled or slid. But normally, no. By the same token, if you want to move through another character's square and the other character says "No, I don't let him" then I would rule that you couldn' t just freely move through the square.