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| #1BROM54Jul 08, 2009 10:45:12 | I may have the wrong forum, but I had a question on the general languages in dnd. I am making a human avenger of the raven queen who was raised in the shadowfell, and I was wondering what language he would have most likely spoken(other than common). Anybody have any idea on which one it would be? |
| #2Seeker95Jul 08, 2009 11:14:12 | I'd go with deep speech as the first choice. Primordial as the second. Just a personal gut feeling, really. |
| #3Ash2DustJul 08, 2009 11:20:07 | Most speaking shadow monsters seem to have Common and nothing else. I would suggest supernal, but you can't get that at level 1. A lot of RPGA modules seem to have shadow creatures with a language called Kir-Lanan, but I'm guessing that's setting specific. The shadowfell seems to have a giant problem, maybe giant could be a good secondary language. Draconic's always fun, and fey's always useful. |
| #4Tharag_BoccJul 08, 2009 11:49:26 | Unfortunately there really isn't any consistent shadowfel language. Kind of strange since all the other planes have a fairly consistent common tongue. |
| #5Alter_BoyJul 08, 2009 12:31:37 | Given the prevalence of mindless undead that skulk silently in the shadows until they make people scream in terror, I think full sentences are unnecessary for most Shadowfellians. ;) |
| #6ArtifactJul 08, 2009 19:48:49 | Shadowfellians. ;) 'Shadowfellows'? Maybe ;)? I second Deep Speech. It might find it's place, assuming mind flayers and githyanki are more rarely encountered than devils (which speak Supernal) and demons (which speak Abyssal). Another gut feeling though. |
| #7Tharag_BoccJul 09, 2009 1:30:11 | 'Shadowfellows'? Maybe ;)? My only problem is that deep speech is already the native language of the far realm. It's more likely to be encountered in the underdark (were aberrants tend to congregate when away from thier native plain), than in the shadowfell. |
| #8Seeker95Jul 09, 2009 7:10:55 | My only problem is that deep speech is already the native language of the far realm. Deep speech is also widely used in the Underdark. All 10 of the languages listed in the PHB are "already the native language of" something, somewhere. What's wrong with one dark and dreary place using the same language as another dark and dreary (or terrifying) place? |
| #9Tharag_BoccJul 09, 2009 8:44:23 | Deep speech is also widely used in the Underdark. I mentioned the underdark being the second most likely place to find deep speech.[indent]It's more likely to be encountered in the underdark (were aberrants tend to congregate when away from thier native plain), than in the shadowfell.[/indent] All 10 of the languages listed in the PHB are "already the native language of" something, somewhere. Draconic, dwarven, giant, and goblin aren't the dominant language of any plane.
What's wrong with one dark and dreary place using the same language as another dark and dreary (or terrifying) place? Nothing is really wrong with it, though by that token why do we need both deep speech and abyssal? Morse I was pointing out how it's odd that the shadowfell is the only plain without a dominant language. Also, back to the matter deep speech and abyssal, I would personally find that the abyss and the far realm have more in common with each other than either has with the shadowfell. |
| #10Seeker95Jul 09, 2009 14:16:15 | I mentioned the underdark being the second most likely place to find deep speech. But presented this as if it were a reason to NOT have folks in the shadowdark speak deep speech. It is not a reason. It is simply a fact. The existence of deep speech elsewhere is irrelevant to answering the OP's request for what language to use in the shadowfell. I offered my opinion. I said it was a gut feeling. You disagree. That's fine. But you "supported" your disagreement with irrelevant facts. It is okay to simply disagree and offer a different suggestion. |
| #11Tharag_BoccJul 09, 2009 15:16:34 | The existence of deep speech elsewhere is irrelevant to answering the OP's request for what language to use in the shadowfell. I offered my opinion. I said it was a gut feeling. You disagree. That's fine. But you "supported" your disagreement with irrelevant facts. I was really only trying to point out that of all the planes the shadowfell is the only one without a dominant language to call it's own, and expressing my personal disappointment with that. I hadn't meant to start an argument, however, if you insist on having facts; according to the compendium there are around 253 creatures with the shadowfell origin; of those creatures language breaks down roughly as follows.
As this list shows, there is no dominant language spoken in the shadowfell, save for common. |
| #12Seeker95Jul 09, 2009 15:44:41 | As this list shows, there is no dominant language spoken in the shadowfell, save for common. And the OP has asked what language to use as secondary for his character raised in the shadowfell. From your list, it appears that draconic is the most dominant after common, accounting for 19 out of 29 non-common racial mother tongues. OP: Perhaps adding who raised him to the background would best explain what tongue he learned? |
| #13yellowdingoJul 10, 2009 7:25:15 | I mentioned the underdark being the second most likely place to find deep speech.[indent]It's more likely to be encountered in the underdark (were aberrants tend to congregate when away from thier native plain), than in the shadowfell.[/indent] I'd go with Shadowfell descending from an old language like Elder Ku (Ancient Kobolt/Gobelin). eng. ["I must openly oppose this vile turn of events. There is no future in commerce without a military escort."] "Y myst Ypynly yppysy thys vyly tyrn yf yvynts. Thyry ys ny fytyry yn cymmyrcy wythyyt y mylytyry yscyrt." once you track that back to its origins...Khyys (Khaos) is the void (space, abyss, and astral sea) thus the language of these peoples is Abyssal simply because in the sea between landfalls is very deep. |