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Sorry I don't get multiclassing

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#1
squashua
May 04, 2009 22:49:28 Hey guys, sorry, noob question, can someone please help me understand multiclassing?

So by purchasing a feat specific to each class, you get to use one of their signature characteristics as a per encounter ability, and then you're considered multiclassed. So if I'm a fighter and I take the multiclass - Rogue feat, I'm a fighter/bard and can use a sneak attack once per encounter. I also get access to Rogue specific feats and possibly paragon paths? Is that it? People on the forums are constantly talking about multiclassing and most builds are multiclassed, so I feel like I'm missing something.
#2
nightson
May 04, 2009 22:57:25 There are also three feats which let you swap out one of your primary classes powers for one from your multiclass.
#3
kouk
May 04, 2009 23:57:11 Generally, the multiclass feats are very powerful compared to other feats you might take. This is because they usually give training in a skill, and an encounter power, whereas other feats just give a boost to an ability or training/boost in a skill.

As you say, it also opens up other possibilities, like class-specific feats and many paragon paths.

The power swap feats come in at later levels, and let you exchange your main class' powers for the multiclassed ones. If you're a Fighter/Rogue, you may find one day "Hey, that Rogue power is really cool -- better than what I can choose from the Fighter powers!" or otherwise suits your character concept better.

If you are truly dedicated, you can forgo a paragon path altogether and just makes yourself even more like the class you took the multiclass feat in. Instead of paragon path benefits, you basically just gain more powers from the secondary class.

The main goal with multiclassing though is to retain the bulk of your main class abilities, while giving you a few more options, not truly making a half-and-half character.
#4
ostracized
May 05, 2009 20:30:43 I too am confused on multiclassing.

So when I level up as a fighter. Instead of choosing a fighter feat, I choose multiclass feat into whatever class I want to multiclass into? Is this correct so far?

So lets say I take Rogue multiclass feat, this means I get the encounter power Sneak attack instead of anytime I have combat advantage Sneak Attack? Is this correct?

Now on further level ups for powers, I can choose between fighter powers and rogue powers from then on? Is this the same for feats?

Finally, Paragon paths are open completely to me even as a Fighter/Rogue, if it has a pre-req of Rogue I qualify?
#5
fugitive_unknown
May 05, 2009 21:58:01
I too am confused on multiclassing.

So when I level up as a fighter. Instead of choosing a fighter feat, I choose multiclass feat into whatever class I want to multiclass into? Is this correct so far?

Yep, you just chose a multiclass feat instead of one of the regular ones, like toughness or weapon focus.

So lets say I take Rogue multiclass feat, this means I get the encounter power Sneak attack instead of anytime I have combat advantage Sneak Attack? Is this correct?

It means you can get Sneak Attack once per encounter when you have CA, yes.

Now on further level ups for powers, I can choose between fighter powers and rogue powers from then on? Is this the same for feats?

No, not quite. It just gives you the ability to select the other mutlciass feats at the apropriate levels - once you take THOSE, you can swap out a fighter power for a rogue power, as per the text.

Is this the same for feats?

The basic multiclass feat allows you to take any class specific feat thath has that class as a preresiquite. (For example - You can take Suprising Charge as a Ranger / Theif)

Keep in mind that many class feats have other requirements, such as a stat, or a specific ability that only "True" members of the class get.

Finally, Paragon paths are open completely to me even as a Fighter/Rogue, if it has a pre-req of Rogue I qualify?

Pretty much yeah.

If your a cleric / fighter you can take Pitfighter as your paragon class, even if you don't have any other multiclassing feats or abilities.
#6
ostracized
May 06, 2009 0:42:43 Quote:
Originally Posted by Ostracized View Post
Now on further level ups for powers, I can choose between fighter powers and rogue powers from then on? Is this the same for feats?

No, not quite. It just gives you the ability to select the other mutlciass feats at the apropriate levels - once you take THOSE, you can swap out a fighter power for a rogue power, as per the text.

Okay just to continue and yes I read the section but came away going "huh" My DnD experience was very small in 2e, mostly in ADnD.

So first time you pick "Multiclass Rogue". Then the next time you can get a feat is when you can choose a power from the rogue set?
#7
Stuntman
May 06, 2009 11:57:27 When you choose feats, you only get what the feat description says. The rogue MC feat says you get a skill and the ability to use Sneak Attack once per encounter. That's it. Nothing else. There is nothing in this feat description that says you can take Rogue powers.

Now suppose you want to gain a rogue power. Look at the power swap feats (Novice Power, Adept Power, etc.). The description of these powers says that you can choose to swap a power from your initial class with a power from a class from which you have taken an MC feat. The Novice Power feat has a prereq of level 4 and an MC feat. As long as you have these prereqs, you can take this feat. When you take the Novice Power feat, it says you can swap an encounter attack power from your class (fighter) with an encounter attack power from the class you have taken the MC feat (rogue) that is the same level or lower. This feat would allow you to swap a fighter attack 3 encounter power with a rogue attack encounter power of level 3 or lower.

There is a power swap feat for encounter attack powers, utility powers and daily attack powers. You can take each of these only once, so you can only swap one power of each kind only once via these feats.

Just remember that multiclassing in 4E is done using feats. Read the feats like any other feats. You only get what the feat description says. You do not get any other stuff that is not in the feat description.
#8
ostracized
May 06, 2009 18:21:18 okay I think I am getting it. TY to OP and TY to all the responses

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#1 squashua May 04, 2009 22:49:28	Hey guys, sorry, noob question, can someone please help me understand multiclassing? So by purchasing a feat specific to each class, you get to use one of their signature characteristics as a per encounter ability, and then you're considered multiclassed. So if I'm a fighter and I take the multiclass - Rogue feat, I'm a fighter/bard and can use a sneak attack once per encounter. I also get access to Rogue specific feats and possibly paragon paths? Is that it? People on the forums are constantly talking about multiclassing and most builds are multiclassed, so I feel like I'm missing something.
#2 nightson May 04, 2009 22:57:25	There are also three feats which let you swap out one of your primary classes powers for one from your multiclass.
#3 kouk May 04, 2009 23:57:11	Generally, the multiclass feats are very powerful compared to other feats you might take. This is because they usually give training in a skill, and an encounter power, whereas other feats just give a boost to an ability or training/boost in a skill. As you say, it also opens up other possibilities, like class-specific feats and many paragon paths. The power swap feats come in at later levels, and let you exchange your main class' powers for the multiclassed ones. If you're a Fighter/Rogue, you may find one day "Hey, that Rogue power is really cool -- better than what I can choose from the Fighter powers!" or otherwise suits your character concept better. If you are truly dedicated, you can forgo a paragon path altogether and just makes yourself even more like the class you took the multiclass feat in. Instead of paragon path benefits, you basically just gain more powers from the secondary class. The main goal with multiclassing though is to retain the bulk of your main class abilities, while giving you a few more options, not truly making a half-and-half character.
#4 ostracized May 05, 2009 20:30:43	I too am confused on multiclassing. So when I level up as a fighter. Instead of choosing a fighter feat, I choose multiclass feat into whatever class I want to multiclass into? Is this correct so far? So lets say I take Rogue multiclass feat, this means I get the encounter power Sneak attack instead of anytime I have combat advantage Sneak Attack? Is this correct? Now on further level ups for powers, I can choose between fighter powers and rogue powers from then on? Is this the same for feats? Finally, Paragon paths are open completely to me even as a Fighter/Rogue, if it has a pre-req of Rogue I qualify?
#5 fugitive_unknown May 05, 2009 21:58:01	I too am confused on multiclassing. So when I level up as a fighter. Instead of choosing a fighter feat, I choose multiclass feat into whatever class I want to multiclass into? Is this correct so far? Yep, you just chose a multiclass feat instead of one of the regular ones, like toughness or weapon focus. So lets say I take Rogue multiclass feat, this means I get the encounter power Sneak attack instead of anytime I have combat advantage Sneak Attack? Is this correct? It means you can get Sneak Attack once per encounter when you have CA, yes. Now on further level ups for powers, I can choose between fighter powers and rogue powers from then on? Is this the same for feats? No, not quite. It just gives you the ability to select the other mutlciass feats at the apropriate levels - once you take THOSE, you can swap out a fighter power for a rogue power, as per the text. Is this the same for feats? The basic multiclass feat allows you to take any class specific feat thath has that class as a preresiquite. (For example - You can take Suprising Charge as a Ranger / Theif) Keep in mind that many class feats have other requirements, such as a stat, or a specific ability that only "True" members of the class get. Finally, Paragon paths are open completely to me even as a Fighter/Rogue, if it has a pre-req of Rogue I qualify? Pretty much yeah. If your a cleric / fighter you can take Pitfighter as your paragon class, even if you don't have any other multiclassing feats or abilities.
#6 ostracized May 06, 2009 0:42:43	Quote: Originally Posted by Ostracized View Post Now on further level ups for powers, I can choose between fighter powers and rogue powers from then on? Is this the same for feats? No, not quite. It just gives you the ability to select the other mutlciass feats at the apropriate levels - once you take THOSE, you can swap out a fighter power for a rogue power, as per the text. Okay just to continue and yes I read the section but came away going "huh" My DnD experience was very small in 2e, mostly in ADnD. So first time you pick "Multiclass Rogue". Then the next time you can get a feat is when you can choose a power from the rogue set?
#7 Stuntman May 06, 2009 11:57:27	When you choose feats, you only get what the feat description says. The rogue MC feat says you get a skill and the ability to use Sneak Attack once per encounter. That's it. Nothing else. There is nothing in this feat description that says you can take Rogue powers. Now suppose you want to gain a rogue power. Look at the power swap feats (Novice Power, Adept Power, etc.). The description of these powers says that you can choose to swap a power from your initial class with a power from a class from which you have taken an MC feat. The Novice Power feat has a prereq of level 4 and an MC feat. As long as you have these prereqs, you can take this feat. When you take the Novice Power feat, it says you can swap an encounter attack power from your class (fighter) with an encounter attack power from the class you have taken the MC feat (rogue) that is the same level or lower. This feat would allow you to swap a fighter attack 3 encounter power with a rogue attack encounter power of level 3 or lower. There is a power swap feat for encounter attack powers, utility powers and daily attack powers. You can take each of these only once, so you can only swap one power of each kind only once via these feats. Just remember that multiclassing in 4E is done using feats. Read the feats like any other feats. You only get what the feat description says. You do not get any other stuff that is not in the feat description.
#8 ostracized May 06, 2009 18:21:18	okay I think I am getting it. TY to OP and TY to all the responses