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#1 riyoongaku Jul 12, 2009 19:08:47	We're having a bit of disagreement in my game, so I wanted to ask. We're playing 3.5, but I didn't see a forum to talk about 3.5 in. Anyway, we have two members in our party who continually steal from the rest of us, and we're rolling spot checks to see them (no one ever passes said spot check)... We're having issues agreeing on whether or not it would be possible to steal from a Handy Haversack. The book makes it seem like it shouldn't be possible, but I wanted other opinions. Thank you.
#2 corvusdrake Jul 12, 2009 19:33:55	We're having a bit of disagreement in my game, so I wanted to ask. We're playing 3.5, but I didn't see a forum to talk about 3.5 in. Anyway, we have two members in our party who continually steal from the rest of us, and we're rolling spot checks to see them (no one ever passes said spot check)... We're having issues agreeing on whether or not it would be possible to steal from a Handy Haversack. The book makes it seem like it shouldn't be possible, but I wanted other opinions. Thank you. I DM a lot with thieves in the party that do things like this. A few things need to be addressed. 1: Theft from a player involves avoiding being seen (spot), avoiding being physically disturbed by the touch (successful Sleight of Hand), and not being heard (listen). 2: A Handy Haversack is basically a Bag of Holding. In order to take from them, you have to reach into it with the reasonable depth of the actual space inside the bag. If the bag can hold 400lbs, for instance, one would expect to reach most of their arm in. This should require actual possession of the sack; therefore, the entire sack must be stolen to steal one item from it. It would be nigh impossible otherwise; in fact, if they tried anyway, I'd make them take their d20 at 1/3rd when they roll it. 3: It's apparent these party members have never encountered a Bag of Devouring. It exists pretty much as a DM tool to teach players not to screw with the physics of a magic bag. I think it's time they should.
#3 dark_harrier Jul 12, 2009 19:43:52	How the handy haversack is written would strictly say that they would just need to be able to dig in the bag to get to whatever is in there. The bad does not have any note of needing possession or command words to get into the bag, just possession to quickly pull the item. Thus, without taking the bag, it should be a more difficult, but not impossible task, to take something specific out of the bag.