So anyway, this happened Sunday evening. Only four out of eight players could make it with two not having transportation, one being out of town, and one having to work that evening. The players at hand are a 15th level psionicist, a chaotic evil pistoleer (the characters don't know he's evil), a 15th level ranger, and myself, a female half elf half nymph 15th level sorcerer. Unknown to the others, she's two months pregnant by her NPC husband. (He was the son of the character of the guy who couldn't make it due to work before his character tragically died.)
So we're currently on a mission to retrieve an item we know nothing about from a long abandoned dwarven city we have no information of. Everything's going fine, we're barely at the cross-roads of this ancient stone city when we come to another fight. The battle to our right goes fine, but our psionicist member has a special ability to where he can see every detail of everything within 100 feet within...it's not line of sight I think. It's line of whatever he can see as long as it's not being blocked by something like a wall. Anyway. He see's two Illithids of Thuun. I think that's how you spell it. He knows a bit about them, freaks out, tells everyone to grab hold of him and we teleport the hell out of dodge to get more information from the person who gave us the mission. So we teleport back to the castle of the person who told us to go. It's a flying castle. It's grounded. And everyone is gone. We go up to a guard tower and see a large army sized trail leading away from the castle through the tall grass. That's fine. We knew the king's (our mission giver) allies and he were gearing up for battle. We just didn't think they'd leave so...soon.
So, the gun-toting chaotic-evil guy is looking around going WOOT. Now I can finally jack all the shinies! The psionicist is going WOOT, I can jack a flying CASTLE and sell it to the highest bidder! The ranger is pretty neutral. Doesn't care. My character doesn't care either, but doesn't want to be linked to what they're planning to do, but also won't get in their way. NPC hubby is outraged, he likes the king. A couple of diplomacy checks later, he agrees with player wifey to just close our eyes and pretend to not know what they're doing. My character was just about to teleport him and herself out of there when the psionicist pipes up that he'll teleport them to wherever they want, his treat. He's being awfully nice, isn't he? What a sweet guy! She warily accepts, requesting to be teleported to the next mountain range where they can make camp and wait for him to come back for them. Everything is going well. Everyone is happy at this point. Now remember, she's pregnant.
Smiling all the while, they take his hands, trusting their companion...as he plane shifts to the negative energy plane and ditches them there. So I'm thinking, "I can't use wish, I can't plane shift, hell, I don't even have knowledge planes. We're both so screwed." I'm convinced I'm gonna have to roll up a new character. Fortunately for us, the king's adviser was watching the whole affair, and uses his wizardly powers to do...stuff. All I remember was a lot of wish spells were used and it took about five rounds. So my character and npc hubby survive. But how can a fetus? It can't, really. For them, it ended shortly thereafter, with the wizard showing them to a comfortable room. The newly evil band of players are off doing their thing, and the game is called soon after. But (unknown I think to my character, I'm not sure) she miscarried.
Now for the question! Yay!
Can a resurrection, wish, or any kind of spell with the mechanics of the dnd world (all the 3.5 books) revive the fetus as it were while it's still in her? Is it at all possible? Any ideas, theories, or answers will have no affect on the ruling, as it's already been made. We've already established that something like this is not covered in the books, that it was never meant to come up, but it did. We're all just extremely curious as what the dnd community thinks.
I'd rule she wouldn't miscarry, the foetus is still part of her, until born and umbilical cut.
I personally think the ruling was cruel, and uneccessary, and wonder why any DM would go that way, unless it's to enhance the double tragedy of husband to be killed and child to be killed.
Just seems unnecessary to me.
Seems to me like the DM is backpedaling from the jump to the neg mat'l plane which should , or would have killed everyone, and the DM ruled, No, screw that.
But for some reason didn't want the Child NPC, perhaps because it would tie your Female NPC down and take her out of the campaign? Lol, but instead, she can go around weeping? Just too harsh.
I'd like to see what your DM sees as reasoning behind the unborn child going, just curious, really./ Was it story factors or mechanical, or like i said to keep your lady PC in the game?
That's my spin on it.
I've run D&D since 1979.
I'd rule she wouldn't miscarry, the foetus is still part of her, until born and umbilical cut.
I personally think the ruling was cruel, and uneccessary, and wonder why any DM would go that way, unless it's to enhance the double tragedy of husband to be killed and child to be killed.
Just seems unnecessary to me.
Seems to me like the DM is backpedaling from the jump to the neg mat'l plane which should , or would have killed everyone, and the DM ruled, No, screw that.
But for some reason didn't want the Child NPC, perhaps because it would tie your Female NPC down and take her out of the campaign? Lol, but instead, she can go around weeping? Just too harsh.
I'd like to see what your DM sees as reasoning behind the unborn child going, just curious, really./ Was it story factors or mechanical, or like i said to keep your lady PC in the game?
That's my spin on it.
Several things wrong here, probably due to me not explaining clearly.
NPC hubby is not dead, he has five neg levels so is now level five. She is level ten. He didn't backpedal with the ruling, also. I assumed she miscarried because of the life sucking nature of the plane and after the game was called, the guy playing the psionicist (he's my wednesday DM, actually), first looked at me, profusely apologized to me, but explained he couldn't contain his curiosity. (He also explained that when his character finds out she was pregnant, he's gonna feel all sorts of bad about it, and that if he had known, he wouldn't have picked that plane in the first place.) That's when the DM told him that, yeah, my sorcerer miscarried. It wasn't a cruel ruling, it was, we thought, a logical ruling due to the nature of the plane. The DM was actually excited about the RPing of my character being pregnant. I secretly always wanted one of my characters to get married in a game and have a child some time in the game. (I always play female characters because I'm a girl.) When she does find out, she'll react painfully and go after him with a vengeance even though his intention wasn't to murder any of them, and the result of the child was purely accidental.
So as to your question, taking the unborn child out was purely mechanical. He really didn't want to do it. The result was interesting, though.
We now have two parties: one good aligned and one evil aligned. We might play separate days, we might not. But there is a good chance that the good party is going to go after the evil one. At least my character is. The rest will likely follow her mad quest for vengeance.
In many 3E campaigns a wish can do anything.
I'd rule she wouldn't miscarry, the foetus is still part of her, until born and umbilical cut.
this.
I assumed she miscarried because of the life sucking nature of the plane
so, every time you meet an energy-draining undead, you miscarry?
I suppose you should retire before getting pregnant again...
I'd rule she wouldn't miscarry, the foetus is still part of her, until born and umbilical cut.
Now, about this. Miscarriages can have many causes. I will admit to not being a doctor, but suffering multilevel drain strikes me as being dramatic enough trauma to potentially trigger a miscarriage.
Now, as to whether a DM wants to bother with this business, that's touchy. I don't think anyone is going to suggest that going this far is something to be done lightly. I don't think anyone would fault a DM for glossing the whole thing over and just saying "It'll be fine."
Maybe cure spells don't work on it, but inflict spells would 'heal' it instead.
Or maybe have it more like a Daywalker type person
Or maybe it is a Blighter type person.
I think there was a number of interesting things to could have come about because of the situation, death was very anti-climatic/underwhelming to me
I'd allow a wish, ressurection, etc. work on the fetus. However, I'd have the child almost literally belong to whatever deity/power was called upon to raise the child.
- With Ressurection, that's easy, whatever deity the priest follows.
- With wish, I'd give it some thought. Perhaps, I'd draw the attention of a power demon/devil to bring the child back. The child is haunted all their life with power imagery of evil. Perhaps they are compelled to be one with this darkness, perhaps they must struggle always, but they alone have the power to confront the approaching doom.
- Or, and more likely, I would have the child be ressurected by the "One True Intent" in the Universe (my version of "G"od). Now, the child is a messianic figure destined for greatness. Good needs him, evil wants him, or wants to destroy him.
Whatever the case, I'd definately allow the child to be "saved", but I'd then try to turn it into a sweeping epic. I've always felt, that when you ask the DM to err on your side through an NPC (such as a deity) then the PC has given away a small shred of their "Free Will". and thus, they are caught up in the destiny (design) of the Intent.
Whatever the case, I think it would make a great story.
so, every time you meet an energy-draining undead, you miscarry?
Completely different scenario. Assuming the mother and fetus as separate entities, the difference is that the energy-draining undead are sapping the mother. The energy-draining negative energy plane is sapping energy from everyone, which means it's directly attacking the baby. Even if you assume them to be the same entity until the umbilical is cut, the fetus is still very delicate, and her suffering direct exposure to pure death can reasonably be ruled as sufficient to kill the baby.
That said, it would probably take at least two spells to bring the child back. One cast on the body to restore life (possibly a second for the child to survive the side-effects of resurrection, namely Con-loss), and a Wish/Miracle to restore the child to the womb before she dies again. If you skip another Wish/Miracle to cleanse the child, then she will probably end up a Fetus Terrible, an monstrous sin against god and nature. Fun RP, that. And on the subject of whether spells can bring the child back, you can bring back vermin with Raise Dead. A fetus is probably fair game.
My recommendation is to try and find the Book of Erotic Fantasy; that's what our DM used for our party's pregnant girl, and I think it might help figure out what happened to the fetus.
As for how I'd have ruled it, I'd say that the fetus did take the level drain, but due to you being a sorcerer, your magical intuition transfered the level drain from the fetus to you; so, in effect you'd be level five instead of level ten. Then again, I'd also let you do some quick quests to get back up to higher levels fairly quickly, since I'm assuming you started this character off when you were around level 4 of 5.
My recommendation is to try and find the Book of Erotic Fantasy;...
And then take great pains to avoid it. ;)
Seriously, before I read that book I did not think it was possible to make sex sound boring.
no, you miscarry, because, no matter how much punishment you have already taken, this one particular issue requires physical/logical laws to apply.
I'm not saying that being exposed to the Negative Plane isn't cause enough to miscarry, I'm just saying that there're so many things in an adventurer life that can make you miscarry, but somehow they didn't, and now this one thing does.
it's just arbitrary... and it sucks.
Technically, the mother's body would provide total cover to the fetus, thus blocking line of effect, so I'd rule it isn't directly affected by the negative energy at all.
I don't know why, but reading this makes me giggle. Not that it isn't a very accurate statement, just that translating a baby in a tummy to D&D rules cracks me up.
Technically, the mother's body would provide total cover to the fetus, thus blocking line of effect, so I'd rule it isn't directly affected by the negative energy at all. Now, I think some Fort saves due to the mother's body trauma from the negative energy might be in order, but it wouldn't result in automatic death.
Except this is the negative energy plane. To me, saying the mother's body provides cover from that negative energy is like saying the mother's body provides cover from gravity in the material plane.
But I'm also in the "This might give the kid SERIOUS issues" camp. Exposure to planar traits, negative energy in particular, might tweak the baby, adjust him in some way. He' be popping out with a template or two that you probably didn't expect.
Except this is the negative energy plane. To me, saying the mother's body provides cover from that negative energy is like saying the mother's body provides cover from gravity in the material plane.
We all float down here?
Except this is the negative energy plane. To me, saying the mother's body provides cover from that negative energy is like saying the mother's body provides cover from gravity in the material plane.
Well, technically it does provide cover against gravity, and so does any flat surface under you. If you're sitting on a table, you aren't falling any closer to the surface of the earth, so you effectively have total cover relative to gravity. Now, this only works in D&D where gravity and acceleration effectively don't exist unless you're actually falling at the moment...but then again, the Negative Energy Plane only exists in D&D as well. :D
This isn't a matter of pro-life or morality, or shouldn't be in the game, but a simple mechanic to be used, you could say that before this the soul is still dependant upon the mother, if you consider it to be alive or otherwise is not the issue, but if it intwined with the mother's soul.
The DM could rule that the pre-blood embrio's soul is still connected to the mother, and thus the mother is resurected still pregnent with both souls. And that once the baby has obtained his own soul (the fetus has blood) then it is considered an independant soul for all entents and purposes.
Now the matter of if the baby is included in the resurection spell is a matter of how harsh/leneint the DM wiush to be with how the spell works, but he could follow the guideline of once the fetus develops blood it is an independent soul. He may be leneint and say that the baby is still included on the reserection, or else he could be harsh and require a seperate reserection for the baby (as a seperate individual)
Keep in mind that a spell caster is reserected with the spells he had memorised still in place and that any XP he would have earned for that encounter is then rewarded, if this is the case then the embrio in it's early stages should broght back as well, the only time there should be a distinction is when it has a seperate and independant soul.
Another rule of thought is that the baby isn't killed when the mother dies, but rather as a complication after the mother dies. When the host dies, the fetus is still alive and only dies after as a result of no longer being supported by the host. In this case the fetus's death is a seperate event, it is also possible for the fetus to die before the mother (as a result of her wounds during the conflict) which is also in turn a seperate event., and thus 2 seperate resurections would be required.
I think the fairest thing, and what I would do, is have the reserection inlcude the baby if the fetus is still in the pre-blood stage, but after the fetus has developed blood, then I would allow the reserection including the baby and mother together at a higher price (ie I would add 10-20% of the cost to the spell)
I'd agree with above poster: it's not all that hard to trigger a miscarriage when you're dealing with heavy physical trauma and such. I'd imagine it's a little tough for adventurer girls to come to term while adventuring.
trauma isnt covered by the rules. DND is a game not a life simulator. If a girl got preggers and went adventuring before whelping then both she and the husband that let her go knowing that she was preggers should get their wisdom scores checked.
back to the mechanics though i would rule that if the fetus is still in her when she finds out that she could then use any of the bring back to life spells on it and it would be fine(reincarnate for some added flair as a child), if she doesnt find out until after the fetus comes out i would say that she would need a true res after destroying the body or it is dead dead.
trauma isnt covered by the rules. DND is a game not a life simulator. If a girl got preggers and went adventuring before whelping then both she and the husband that let her go knowing that she was preggers should get their wisdom scores checked.
Altering the fate of the multiverse doesn't exactly allow for maternity leave.
Altering the fate of the multiverse doesn't exactly allow for maternity leave.
then perhaps they should have waited until the fate of the multiverse was decided* before they got pregnant
*within their time/influence sphere
And then take great pains to avoid it. ;)
Seriously, before I read that book I did not think it was possible to make sex sound boring.
I never said that it was a fun book to read, I just thought it might help clear up a few things from a rules standpoint.
then perhaps they should have waited until the fate of the multiverse was decided* before they got pregnant
Sometimes love doesn't wait and big bads don't necessarily stay dead just because you're trying to settle down.
Mechanically the fetus is part of the PC and is part of the PC's biology so it should not (mechanically) be affected by anything other than what the PC suffers. If the PC dies, it dies as well.
Anything outside of that should be for flavor or story.
If you really, really want some mechanics I would pull some things from the familiar rules without the intelligent communication. ;)
Delazar78
I suppose you should retire before getting pregnant again...
No.
Escef
Now, about this. Miscarriages can have many causes. I will admit to not being a doctor, but suffering multilevel drain strikes me as being dramatic enough trauma to potentially trigger a miscarriage.
See, that's what we figured, especially in the first trimester.
Erk_
I'd agree with above poster: it's not all that hard to trigger a miscarriage when you're dealing with heavy physical trauma and such. I'd imagine it's a little tough for adventurer girls to come to term while adventuring.
Yeah, but it's easier for casters with all the spells at hand to help them I think. My rogue is married to another pc on my wednesday game and it would totally suck for her because it would be making her speed, str and dex go down in the second and especially the third trimester. Not to mention for halflings (I love halfling rogues) their gestation period is the same of that of a human's according to the book of errotic fantasy. With an elf, it's two years, half elf is one, nymph is 1d12, so since she's half nymph I'm assuming it's 1d6. So it's already going to be at least over a year for my sorcerer (from now on I'm going to refer her as Kilandra, easier that way.)
Quiterjon
I think was a perfect opportunity to have some interestinmg happen to the fetus, besides death.
Maybe cure spells don't work on it, but inflict spells would 'heal' it instead.
Or maybe have it more like a Daywalker type person
Or maybe it is a Blighter type person.
I think there was a number of interesting things to could have come about because of the situation, death was very anti-climatic/underwhelming to me
I agree it would be interesting, but this is his first campaign and he's still learning and it might make his head expload, but I'll pass along the idea to him.
Medhia_Nox
I'm not sure what others wrote, but I think it's an awsome premise for a story. Here's my initial thought about how I'd handle it:
I'd allow a wish, ressurection, etc. work on the fetus. However, I'd have the child almost literally belong to whatever deity/power was called upon to raise the child.
- With Ressurection, that's easy, whatever deity the priest follows.
- With wish, I'd give it some thought. Perhaps, I'd draw the attention of a power demon/devil to bring the child back. The child is haunted all their life with power imagery of evil. Perhaps they are compelled to be one with this darkness, perhaps they must struggle always, but they alone have the power to confront the approaching doom.
- Or, and more likely, I would have the child be ressurected by the "One True Intent" in the Universe (my version of "G"od). Now, the child is a messianic figure destined for greatness. Good needs him, evil wants him, or wants to destroy him.
Whatever the case, I'd definately allow the child to be "saved", but I'd then try to turn it into a sweeping epic. I've always felt, that when you ask the DM to err on your side through an NPC (such as a deity) then the PC has given away a small shred of their "Free Will". and thus, they are caught up in the destiny (design) of the Intent.
Whatever the case, I think it would make a great story.
I'm definately gonna pass these ideas along. Thanks!
Kinie
My recommendation is to try and find the Book of Erotic Fantasy; that's what our DM used for our party's pregnant girl, and I think it might help figure out what happened to the fetus.
As for how I'd have ruled it, I'd say that the fetus did take the level drain, but due to you being a sorcerer, your magical intuition transfered the level drain from the fetus to you; so, in effect you'd be level five instead of level ten. Then again, I'd also let you do some quick quests to get back up to higher levels fairly quickly, since I'm assuming you started this character off when you were around level 4 of 5.
Ah...we are. We definately are. Don't you worry about that. As for the level drain, it sounds a little being loopholish to me. The baby isn't born yet, so I don't know if it would even HAVE a level. And there are spells to restore neg levels from effects and whatnot, so the neg levels aren't permanent.
Delazar78
I'm not saying that being exposed to the Negative Plane isn't cause enough to miscarry, I'm just saying that there're so many things in an adventurer life that can make you miscarry, but somehow they didn't, and now this one thing does.
it's just arbitrary... and it sucks.
Which is why she stays away from the battle, and if it looks like things are gonna eat her, she casts fly and ZOOM. She was careful before she found out she was pregnant, and before this happened, she knew for a grand total of about a day.
MrCustomer: The mythology stuff sounds cool, and I'll pass it along, thanks.
tharivol266
trauma isnt covered by the rules. DND is a game not a life simulator. If a girl got preggers and went adventuring before whelping then both she and the husband that let her go knowing that she was preggers should get their wisdom scores checked.
I think you might need to get yours checked as well. Anyway, how they got married is another completely different story, kind of funny, and I'll the whole thing if anyone wishes me to. But the short version is they got married while adventuring, had a two-day honeymoon while everyone else was trying to figure out the next move, and didn't exactly have any resources to prevent any happy accidents from occuring.
Viletta
Altering the fate of the multiverse doesn't exactly allow for maternity leave.
I like you.
Viletta
Sometimes love doesn't wait and big bads don't necessarily stay dead just because you're trying to settle down.
I really like you.
wizarddog
I hope you got a will save to avoid being transported to the negative plane. You get one, even if you were fooled that it would lead you to safety. Otherwise PC's will be killing foes with bluff checks.
Mechanically the fetus is part of the PC and is part of the PC's biology so it should not (mechanically) be affected by anything other than what the PC suffers. If the PC dies, it dies as well.
Anything outside of that should be for flavor or story.
If you really, really want some mechanics I would pull some things from the familiar rules without the intelligent communication.
I didn't get a save, actually. I'mma kill that psionicist. He's gonna be dead, Jim. As for the mechanics, I'll pass that information along to my sunday DM along with...nearly this entire thread. :D
Side note, I do recall reading somewhere a semi well known writer in japan was born during the attack on Hiroshima, the mother died, the fetus (This person) lived.
So there are all sorts of possibilities.
That's sort of where I feel th death (for me) wasn't warranted.
That or being off the wall, the child is born, not dead, but it's some type of UnDead, powered by negative plane overload or something, if you want to go there.
A la The Omen. Or some demonic.. something or other rosemary's baby.
Freak-o.
Mechanically the fetus is part of the PC...
Funny, last I checked the mechanics were moot on anything of the sort. Largely because D&D is a game of heroic fantasy. Heroic fantasy rarely (if ever) involves pregnancy or miscarriages. So the rules don't cover it. D&D is a fairly PG-13 level game.
Funny, last I checked the mechanics were moot on anything of the sort. Largely because D&D is a game of heroic fantasy. Heroic fantasy rarely (if ever) involves pregnancy or miscarriages. So the rules don't cover it. D&D is a fairly PG-13 level game.
I meant that since (fetus) it is not recognized as separate entity (by the PHB), then it falls under the Injury and Death mechanics. Just like there is nothing indicating that if you take a certain amount of Hp damage you lose a limb or an eye.
Those types of permanent damages would fall under DM discretion.
;)
I meant that since (fetus) it is not recognized as separate entity (by the PHB), then it falls under the Injury and Death mechanics. Just like there is nothing indicating that if you take a certain amount of Hp damage you lose a limb or an eye.
Those types of permanent damages would fall under DM discretion.
;)
So, since it isn't covered by any of the rules you ignore it completely? Maybe not the way you want to state it, but that's the effect. Until the baby is born game mechanics ignore it. It might as well be dropped off by some spindly-legged bird. ;)
I have no problems with this approach. I think it really is something that the entire game group in question has to have a consensus on, though. But the "ignore it" approach is clean, simple, and safe. Mechanically and socially.
... even though his intention wasn't to murder any of them, ....
How in the world do you rationalize his intentionally dumping un-suspecting people into the neg. plane as anything other than an attempt to kill them???
I suppose you could claim your character to be in shock atm, but still....
Anyways, I don't see any reason why wishes or other such magics wouldn't suffice to save the unborn child as well as the mother. Just depends upon how they were worded.
How in the world do you rationalize his intentionally dumping un-suspecting people into the neg. plane as anything other than an attempt to kill them???
I suppose you could claim your character to be in shock atm, but still....
Anyways, I don't see any reason why wishes or other such magics wouldn't suffice to save the unborn child as well as the mother. Just depends upon how they were worded.
Because he didn't know if she could or could not get them out of that plane, and didn't stick them in said plane to kill them, just to remove any loose ends. Although my character herself sees it as a murder attempt from left field just because they didn't mesh with his plans, which she would then think is bull.
...your PC's munchkin is a munchkin!
...the card game?
"Munchkin" as in "power gamer." The slang term from which the card game gets its name.
"Munchkin" as in "power gamer." The slang term from which the card game gets its name.
Ah, didn't know that. Never heard the slang used before.
...templates worth their LA? I feel like a newb all over again. :heehee
Edit: Game was canceled due to unforeseen circumstances I guess for several players not being able to make it and me calling bull
on what the DM tried to do with the kid in question. Born in two days after coming back from the neg plane? Sorry, no. My character might just kill herself if that happened from the shock.
Just one of those game-breakers, I guess.
Like suppressed revolvers, lol.
Umm this just sounds like an opinion pole about abortion beliefs couched in dnd terms, which seems a bit dishonest, like a trap. I am going to exercise my Right to Choose not to answer. Peace.
so why did you bother with the effort of making a post?
Umm this just sounds like an opinion pole about abortion beliefs couched in dnd terms, which seems a bit dishonest, like a trap. I am going to exercise my Right to Choose not to answer. Peace.
Except this is absolutely nothing like abortion, no person in the game world was choosing to kill the child, and this is more a discussion of how mechanics and mechanical consequences should relate to a specific situation that some find quite sticky. And there were repeated disclaimers on the matter so'st folks wouldn't get confused and bring up that unrelated tangent.
Born in two days after coming back from the neg plane? Sorry, no. My character might just kill herself if that happened from the shock.
That doesn't seem particularly odd to me, considering magical standards. Accelerated pregnancies are pretty common for horror movie diabolical children of doom destined to bring ruin to all they encounter.
Accelerated pregnancies are pretty common for horror movie diabolical children of doom destined to bring ruin to all they encounter.
so you have something to look forward to :D
That doesn't seem particularly odd to me, considering magical standards. Accelerated pregnancies are pretty common for horror movie diabolical children of doom destined to bring ruin to all they encounter.
Except that he ruled the kid dead. So he back-pedaled, which he seems to like to do. I specifically told him that if he decides to do otherwise, to run it by me first because the npc in question is inside my character. He then RP'd things my character would not have done, and did things my character would not have allowed. And while fully in his right (I think, I don't know, I've only played dnd a couple of years and not constant during those two years), I feel like I'm being used as a string puppet or a tool instead of letting me do with my character as I please.
I don't know, I think I'm done with this character, this campaign, and being a player for this DM. Which I feel a bit bad doing it, because he's a rather good friend. I'm just a little at my wit's end.
Retcon ftw?
Schwaa?
I think was a perfect opportunity to have some interestinmg happen to the fetus, besides death.
Maybe cure spells don't work on it, but inflict spells would 'heal' it instead.
Or maybe have it more like a Daywalker type person
Or maybe it is a Blighter type person.
I think there was a number of interesting things to could have come about because of the situation, death was very anti-climatic/underwhelming to me
This.
Also, Book of Erotic Fantasy has rules for this I think.