so yeah I've been playing 3.5 for a long while now and my DM wants to upgrade to 4e now and I want to know if i should keep the character I had from 3.5 or start over! what do you guys think?
Character Name: Ci-ci Player: Gm
Class and Level: Sorcerer 5 Experience Points:
Race: cat Alignment: nuetral good Deity: Palor
Size: Tiny Age: 21 Gender: Female
Height: 2'5" Weight: 34 lbs Hair: White Skin: N/A
Str: [11][+0] Temp Str: [][]
Dex: [16][+3] Temp Dex: [][]
Con: [16][+3] Temp Con: [][]
Int: [17][+3] Temp Int: [][]
Wis: [16][+3] Temp Wis: [][]
Cha: [20][+5] Temp Cha: [][]
HP: [21] Current HP: [] Nonlethal: [0]
Speed: 20
Armor Class: [ 15 ] = 10 + [ 0 ] + [ 0 ] + [ 3 ] + [ 2 ] + [ 0 ]
Total Armor Shield Dex Mod Size Mod Natural
Touch AC: [15] Flat-Footed AC: [12]
Damage Reduction: []
Initiative: [ +3 ] = [ 3 ] + [ 0 ]
Total Dex Mod Misc Mod
Fortitude: [ +8 ] = [ 1 ] + [ 3 ] + [ 0 ] + [ 4 ]
Total Base Save Ability Magic Misc Mod
Reflex: [ +8 ] = [ 1 ] + [ 3 ] + [ 0 ] + [ 4 ]
Total Base Save Ability Magic Misc Mod
Will: [ +8 ] = [ 4 ] + [ 3 ] + [ 0 ] + [ 1 ]
Total Base Save Ability Magic Misc Mod
Base Attack Bonus: [+4]
Spell Resistance: [0]
Grapple: [ -4 ] = [ +4 ] + [ 0 ] + [ -8 ] + [ 0 ]
Total Base Attack Str Mod Size Mod Misc Mod
Weapon 1: [light mace +1]
Attack Bonus: [+4] Damage: [1d4] Crit: [x2]
Range: [-] Type: [Bludgeon] Notes: []
Armor: [healing catdress] Type: [dress] AC: [0] Max Dex: []
Check Penalty: [] Spell Failure: [] Speed: [] Weight: [1.2]
Special Properties: [heals 2D8+5 when hp is -1 to -9]
Shield: [] AC: [] Weight: [] Check Penalty: []
Spell Failure: [] Special Properties: []
Other Gear:
belt pouch of holding
rations X12
silkrope 30ft.
floating sheild (+5 AC for party for 1D6 rounds)
water skin
ring of dragon detection (what the name says)
Light Load: [0-18] Medium Load: [19-37] Heavy Load: [38-57]
Lift Over Head: [57] Lift Off Ground: [114] Push or Drag: [285]
Money:
Skills:
Appraise (int):> [+3 ] = [ 3 ] + [ 0 ] + [ 0 ]
Balance (dex*):> [+13] = [ 3 ] + [ 0 ] + [10 ]
Bluff (cha):> [+10] = [ 5 ] + [ 5 ] + [ 0 ]
Climb (str*):> [+6 ] = [ 0 ] + [ 0 ] + [ 6 ]
Concentration (con):> [+8 ] = [ 3 ] + [ 5 ] + [ 0 ]
Craft (Alchemy) (int):> [+8 ] = [ 3 ] + [ 5 ] + [ 0 ]
Diplomacy (cha):> [+5 ] = [ 5 ] + [ 0 ] + [ 0 ]
Decipher Script (int): [+3 ] = [ 3 ] + [ 0 ] + [ 0 ]
Disable Device (int): [+7 ] = [ 3 ] + [ 4 ] + [ 0 ]
Disguise (cha):> [+10] = [ 5 ] + [ 5 ] + [ 0 ]
A)absolutely nothing about your character.
and
B) your going to have to remake your character anyway, the editions are different enough that you wont be able to easily transfer characters over. Sorcerer class is in phb2. Have fun rebuilding your character.
also thank you for the input, and informing me of the force change.
Find out what your character dos. Not what class he is, but what he does.
Then look through the 4E PHB (and PHB2, should you desire) and determine what role/class combination best fits the character concept that you distilled your 3.5 character into.
your stat block tells us 2 things:
A)absolutely nothing about your character.
and
B) your going to have to remake your character anyway, the editions are different enough that you wont be able to easily transfer characters over. Sorcerer class is in phb2. Have fun rebuilding your character.
C) "cat" is not a playable 4e race. (and I don't think it is in 3e either......)
If you are intent on a furry creature Shifters are in PHB 2.
D)
Diplomacy
Bluff
Acrobatics
Athletics
Thievery
would cover your skills.
excuse me while I go rage!
also thank you for the input, and informing me of the force change.
Its not a force change if you look at it more of a reexpression of the character. The character is more then the sum of its numbers, it is the character itself. You can place a character in a hundred different systems and it will be the same one.
Oh, and your Base Attack Bonus is double what it should be.
Follow the others' advice in this thread. Recreate your character from scratch, focusing on the spirit of what your character does.
Lv. 0:
Detect Magic
Read Magic
Dancing Lights
Ghost Sound
Ray of Frost
Mage Hand
1st:
Magic Missile
Magic Weapon
Enlarge Person: Humanoid
Reduce Person: Humanoid
2nd:
Rope Trick
Cat's Grace
not sure how I would be defined as sorcere type but these are the spells I used avidly:
Lv. 0:
Detect Magic
Read Magic
Dancing Lights
Ghost Sound
Ray of Frost
Mage Hand
1st:
Magic Missile
Magic Weapon
Enlarge Person: Humanoid
Reduce Person: Humanoid
2nd:
Rope Trick
Cat's Grace
Before you even start trying to translate your character into 4th you should find out how 4th works. The PHB isnt half full of spells anymore (THANK GOODNESS!!!)
C) "cat" is not a playable 4e race. (and I don't think it is in 3e either......)
If you are intent on a furry creature Shifters are in PHB 2.
D)
Diplomacy
Bluff
Acrobatics
Athletics
Thievery
would cover your skills.
I became a cat at level 4 cause I was possessing my cat familiar when my body got killed.so i got stuck in my cat.
#1 - You're playing a homebrew race (cat with a mace?). You (or your DM) will have to remake the homebrew race for 4e.
#2 - You'll want to remake your character into a wizard (in order to keep the cantrips). A good chunk of those spells don't exist anymore (thank goodness for no more rope trick)...
#3 - You'll want to be trained in Bluff, and take the Skill Training (Thievery) feat. Not sure about the rest of the skills, as it seems like it cut off after Disguise.
#4 - You'll want to take the Alchemist feat (from Adventurer's Vault) as a bonus feat instead of Ritual Caster.
#5 - Your magic cat dress...well, I'm sure the DM can either find an appropriate analog or homebrew one. The scant details make it sound pretty good.
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Regardless how the mechanics pan out, I hope you have fun.
Before you even start trying to translate your character into 4th you should find out how 4th works. The PHB isnt half full of spells anymore (THANK GOODNESS!!!)
well at lest theres some good news to hear about this upgrade! X3
You have such basic spells, any arcane class would be fine. Since your idea is a small character who real power comes from his magic, aka your playing a familiar. Honestly play a wizard with a cat familiar (famliars are found in Arcane Power) and just have the familiar do the talking.
Edit- so you got trapped in your familiar, Say you got a new body and just play your original character. A wizard with a cat familiar.
Alrighty...
#1 - You're playing a homebrew race (cat with a mace?). You (or your DM) will have to remake the homebrew race for 4e.
#2 - You'll want to remake your character into a wizard (in order to keep the cantrips). A good chunk of those spells don't exist anymore (thank goodness for no more rope trick)...
#3 - You'll want to be trained in Bluff, and take the Skill Training (Thievery) feat. Not sure about the rest of the skills, as it seems like it cut off after Disguise.
#4 - You'll want to take the Alchemist feat (from Adventurer's Vault).
#5 - Your magic cat dress...well, I'm sure the DM can either find an appropriate analog or homebrew one. The scant details make it sound pretty good.
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Regardless how the mechanics pan out, I hope you have fun.
1. it was the cat from the MM1
2. awww I like rope trick (my DM hated it XD)
3. the cut off in my skills is due to the fact that those are the only ones i have ranks in or mystical buffs too. (DM buffed my cat)
4. alchemist is fun
5. yeah its homebrew.
You were playing a cat... thats kind of...
You have such basic spells, any arcane class would be fine. Since your idea is a small character who real power comes from his magic, aka your playing a familiar. Honestly play a wizard with a cat familiar (famliars are found in Arcane Power) and just have the familiar do the talking.
Edit- so you got trapped in your familiar, Say you got a new body and just play your original character. A wizard with a cat familiar.
but I actually enjoyed being a cat after my party sold me to a noble as a 'mystical talking cat' then I rob them and we run away! (DM hated that too!)
Your character is very homebrew, and honestly its supported by no edition. The only problem you have is you have to remake the rules for this edition, a pain but your playing way outside the norm.
well titter-pops! Ill talk to my DM about this today then.
wat is this i dont even
(I guess I don't have a lot of room to raise eye-brows because I once designed a flying, air breathing beta fish with ungodly psychic powers.... but that was in RIFTS, ok?)
2'5" tall dress wearing cat that wields a mace with average human strength, has a speed of 20 and only one attribute below sixteen?
wat is this i dont even
(I guess I don't have a lot of room to raise eye-brows because I once designed a flying, air breathing beta fish with ungodly psychic powers.... but that was in RIFTS, ok?)
You had me worried until you said RIFTS.;)
And To the OP, I would ask you DM if you couldn't maybe pop back out of that cat. Maybe, on your way out you grab some of th cat traits and become a Razorclaw Shifter (cat person). And depending on if you really want to Hurl magic at eveyone, or just one target will determine which class you pick. Off-hand, I'd guess Wizard or Sorcerer.
2'5" tall dress wearing cat that wields a mace with average human strength, has a speed of 20 and only one attribute below sixteen?
wat is this i dont even
(I guess I don't have a lot of room to raise eye-brows because I once designed a flying, air breathing beta fish with ungodly psychic powers.... but that was in RIFTS, ok?)
well most of my stats were changed due to oddities in our campaigns and me being the only one willing to eat a odd smelling sandwich we found in a treasure chest in a dungeon.
well most of my stats were changed due to oddities in our campaigns and me being the only one willing to eat a odd smelling sandwich we found in a treasure chest in a dungeon.
*jaw drops* wtf...
2. awww I like rope trick (my DM hated it XD)
I believe Rope Trick does exist in 4E. Not absolutely sure where it is, but I think it may be in the Manual of the Planes.
3. the cut off in my skills is due to the fact that those are the only ones i have ranks in or mystical buffs too. (DM buffed my cat)
Skill are done differently, you are either untrained, trained or focused in a skill. All skills get better as you go up in levels. Trained or focused give you additional bonuses to your skill checks.
Mystical (long term or permanent) buffs no longer exist. There are no longer things that say give you +4 Str for any significant amount of time. Only effects that may give you the bonus for a round.
4. alchemist is fun
You can do this in 4E.
5. yeah its homebrew.
You can do this in any game. Just make sure everything is balanced properly.
As for converting to 4E, all classes use the same game mechanics for all of their abilities. This is the biggest change from 3.5. In 3.5 the major difference in how a wizard and a sorcerer worked is the mechanics in which the select and use their abilities, but their abilities are mostly the same (almost exact same spell list). In 4E, the mechanics in which you select their abilities is exactly the same. The difference between a wizard and sorcerer is in the abilities they have access to (spells and class abilities are different and do not overlap).
I would recommend you read over the 4E rules and then decide how to rebuild your character in 4E. It's not just about selecting a 4E sorcerer and making it like a 3.5 sorcerer. You may find that in 4E, another class represents your character concept better. This has been my experience with some 3E characters that were rebuilt using 4E.
I believe Rope Trick does exist in 4E. Not absolutely sure where it is, but I think it may be in the Manual of the Planes.
Skill are done differently, you are either untrained, trained or focused in a skill. All skills get better as you go up in levels. Trained or focused give you additional bonuses to your skill checks.
Mystical (long term or permanent) buffs no longer exist. There are no longer things that say give you +4 Str for any significant amount of time. Only effects that may give you the bonus for a round.
You can do this in 4E.
You can do this in any game. Just make sure everything is balanced properly.
As for converting to 4E, all classes use the same game mechanics for all of their abilities. This is the biggest change from 3.5. In 3.5 the major difference in how a wizard and a sorcerer worked is the mechanics in which the select and use their abilities, but their abilities are mostly the same (almost exact same spell list). In 4E, the mechanics in which you select their abilities is exactly the same. The difference between a wizard and sorcerer is in the abilities they have access to (spells and class abilities are different and do not overlap).
I would recommend you read over the 4E rules and then decide how to rebuild your character in 4E. It's not just about selecting a 4E sorcerer and making it like a 3.5 sorcerer. You may find that in 4E, another class represents your character concept better. This has been my experience with some 3E characters that were rebuilt using 4E.
oh ok thanks for that I'll run this by my DM and get it started! (hope he knows more about 4e then i do >.<)
Now supposing it's not a joke... Wow. Carry on, my friend. Eat your supernatural sandwiches, and clean your fur while burning down the enemies around you. May your mews be thunderclaps of pain, and your hairball gagging only serve to strengthen your esophagus.