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| #1gregoryguyMay 28, 2010 3:07:49 | So me and my friends have got together and started playing DnD. We all make our characters and whatnot and all is well, until last night. Two of the people in the group decided we were going to go more in-depth with the character traits. There is a line in the warforged discription that says something about understanding chain of commands. Two of them decided to take this as just cause to be able to tell me what to do. They told me i had to do everything they said or i wasn't playing. I find this rather childish, but just to get them to shut up i created a new character. I still think they were 100% wrong about this but I am looking for others opinions on this. If i was playing a warforged was i supposed to do every single thing they told me? |
| #2Damon_TorMay 28, 2010 3:24:10 | ... I'm have trouble processing the stupidity here. Even a cursory glace through the Eberron lore shows that Warforged have a powerful Frankenstein complex. They have free will, and in fact their exploration of their independance is one of the major themes underscoring the Warforged play experiance. |
| #3m4kitsuMay 28, 2010 5:01:35 | Damon's right. It sounds to me like you've either got two very young players, or two players who are enjoying the power trip. Either way, bad things for the game. I'm guessing you're a fairly young group (this sort of thing doesn't really happen with older ones), and it also sounds like you're playing with people who are friends before groupmates. If I'm right about those things, the group likely lacks the maturity and experience necessary to handle the situation in-game, and you'll want to handle this out of character. I'd start by talking to them, explain that there is no "right" way to play except the one that lets everyone have fun at the table, and that they are encouraged to drop their current behavior if they wish to continue playing. If that doesn't work or they raise a stink about it, it's probably time to talk to the GM about the issue: air your grievances with him and see what he's willing to do about it. If that doesn't work... well, it might be time to find a new group. In either case: persevere! Nothing in this hobby is worse than watching a good player ruined by a bad group. Don't let your experiences with this sour your impression of the game or gamers at large -we aren't all like that! Find a new group to play with or start your own if this one doesn't work out. Sometimes friends need to stay friends and groupmates need to stay groupmates. If you have a local game store where you get your stuff, then chances are good there are always groups looking for players or games. Search around, they're out there, even if you (or they!) don't know it yet. |
| #4sallaMay 28, 2010 6:26:18 | "Yep, you understand chain of command ... and by the way, what makes you think you're at the top of it?" |
| #5gregoryguyMay 28, 2010 14:02:43 | Thanks for all of the help. I think another big thing that contributed to this was it says things about warforged being set on a task and about listening to commands well. I think what M4kitsu said is correct. Just one big powertrip. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say 17 is young for this game. |
| #6sallaMay 28, 2010 15:01:13 | Probably, yeah. On a more serious note, compared to my earlier post made in haste as I was on my way to get medical tests ... Yes, Warforged understand chains of command; in the default setting they appeared in, they were literally created to be soldiers. But here's the thing. Unless you're all part of the same military organization as part of the campaign, there is no chain of command present. You're just three (or more) civilians running around the countryside. Even if they are or were soldiers, you're a civilian which means they can't order you to do squat ... and since they understand chains of command, they would know this and not issue you orders because you would be under no obligation to obey them; it would be a waste of time. |
| #7OgiwanMay 28, 2010 16:35:15 | If I remember correctly, Races of Eberron states that 'forged divide everybody up into five categories. One of them is civilians, another allies, a third comrades. Or something like that. Anyways. Yeah, it seems that this is just another example of selfish role-playing. Like how a poorly-played Paladin will demand the group conform to his moral views no matter what, or whatever asshattery you can think of. |
| #8shard_of_suzailMay 28, 2010 23:21:28 | Of course, it depends on what the commands were. If there was indeed a proper ranking system in the party and the orders given by the "boss" were good, then by all means hop to it and follow them. Authority isnt necessarily a bad thing. |
| #9koukMay 28, 2010 23:27:09 | Thanks for all of the help. I think another big thing that contributed to this was it says things about warforged being set on a task and about listening to commands well. I think what M4kitsu said is correct. Just one big powertrip. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say 17 is young for this game. Well, young in comparison to the whole; since D&D in general has been around for decades and many of us have been through several iterations. 17 is not at all too young to play D&D though, even younger teens or younger than that can play well. Probably most of us started around mid teens. But it may not be the "best" experience possible, if your whole gaming group is "inexperienced" with roleplaying games and has no stronger figure around to set an example. There's lots of fun to be had, but lots of "learning" that has to go on as well, for everybody. EDIT: At the same time though, just being "old" and "experienced" doesn't make a person a good player or DM. It can often have countering effects of worsening memories, and confusing between rules editions; and some people are just plain A-holes their entire lives. And different people enjoy different ways of doing things and different aspects of the game for different reasons. :p |
| #10warrlMay 29, 2010 1:45:19 | Thanks for all of the help. I think another big thing that contributed to this was it says things about warforged being set on a task and about listening to commands well. Our cat listens to commands well. He'll sit there and listen to them for ten minutes at a time. Then he goes to sleep. |
| #11arakisMay 29, 2010 4:08:57 | Understanding does not mean Respecting. |
| #12m4kitsuMay 31, 2010 1:21:31 | "You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin' command around here." Sorry, couldn't resist. |
| #13j-pop_jediJun 01, 2010 13:00:39 | Another pc holding rank over you can be okay, if done right. Take my character in the Star Wars d20 game we play sometimes. I play the commanding officer and the other pcs are storm troopers. They love that my character aids their actions with his noble abilities and uses pull to get them free stuff. What they hate is that I can boss them around. I usually don't have to. I let them make up their own minds and judge them on the outcome. 95% of the my bossing the other pcs around is in reguards to the mission. This love-hate relationship enhances the game. The player in charge has to realize you can't use rank as an excuse to play as another pc. |
| #14rian_kingJun 01, 2010 18:17:45 | That being the case if you are going to make a new PC just have that PC be hirer ranked there warforge. They will have to listen to you. Two can play at this game111 |
| #15Omnirahk_half-RahkshiJun 02, 2010 8:06:43 | That being the case if you are going to make a new PC just have that PC be hirer ranked there warforge. They will have to listen to you. Let's not go there. That's probably just going to escalate the conflict. |
| #16rian_kingJun 02, 2010 11:28:19 | That being the case if you are going to make a new PC just have that PC be hirer ranked there warforge. They will have to listen to you. You right. In reality don't go there, but at least mention to the warforge players this can happen. You don't want the game to become this. I hope that it will show the warforge players why acting like that isn't fun |
| #17tequila_sunriseJun 02, 2010 13:24:11 | "You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin' command around here." Was that a Jayne line? |
| #18FlashbackJonJun 02, 2010 14:34:36 | "You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin' command around here." You can't change it by getting all... bendy. |