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what class?? help me to choose

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#1
drigerott
Jan 17, 2009 13:12:31 Hi my group is composed by:

warlok, ranger, rogue, warlord...

now can you help me??

i want to be human, maybe swordmage (shielding)...i like it but i don't know if it is a nice and good class to play. Maybe a fighter? mmmmm

i can't decide, can you help me?

(sorry for my english)
#2
drigerott
Jan 17, 2009 13:19:01 Ranger is an archer(maybe he want to change in twf), warlock is star pact, rogue is close range combat.
#3
drigerott
Jan 17, 2009 13:29:01 but play fighter (i was a wizard) is nice? or is most nice play a swordmage?

maybe fighter is most usefull for my grup....mmm
#4
inkblot
Jan 17, 2009 13:31:54 I think you should play a Paladin.

As a defender, the Paladin helps pull monsters off the squishy ranged strikers.

As a secondary-leader, the Paladin helps shore up the Warlord's healing.

As a melee-combatant, the Paladin gives the Warlord another guy to use his best powers on.

Swordmages are neat though. I just started playing a 5th level Eladrin Assault Swordmage, and was surprised at effective he was at pulling enemies away from the rest of the party. Literally pulling thanks to at-will Lightning Lure. Figuratively pulling thanks to being able to mark and run.

What level are all the characters in your party? Is the Warlord tactical, inspiring, or resourceful? Is the Rogue a brutal scoundrel, an artful dodger, or a combat acrobat?

Edit: All the classes are equally nice. In the end you should just play what you want. There is only a small difference between "best" and "not best."
#5
Valien
Jan 17, 2009 13:33:24 Your group has A LOT of strikers, and no Controllers. In matter of being useful to your group, I would suggest a swordmage.

The fighter is a defender with a pinch of striker. Your group doesn't need that. But there is no controller in your team. The swordmage is a defender with something of controller. That would be best. Get some close / area attacks (to kill minions and swarms), choose Aegis of Shielding (you do not need to deal dmg - leave dmg for the rest of your team).

But this is what is best for the group. You should play with the class you want to.
#6
xophix3112
Jan 17, 2009 13:35:42 Hmm... 3 Strikers and 1 Leader... Your missing some roles in your team. I'd say, play Swordmage, since it has partial controller functions that can attack multiple targets. With a Warlord around, you practically NEED a defender, so that it can support you not only for healing, but also for positioning you to effective places on the battlefield or give you additional bonuses on damage and attack rolls.
#7
johnnii
Jan 17, 2009 13:37:27 I really don't think it's such a major issue, just play the concept you would like to be and think is most fun.

A two-handed brute, a defensive knight in shining armor and shield or a graceful swordsman enhanced by magic. These are examples of typical defenders, and even more archetypes is possible to make.

How do you envision your defender?
#8
baneofelves
Jan 17, 2009 13:38:49 Well, your best bet is either the Swordmage or Fighter. As a fighter, you can keep the enemies on you better, you're "stickier". However, like Xophix said, your group needs a controller, and Swordmages are good for that role. If you play a swordmage, take the defense aegis. You aren't going to be as good as a fighter at keeping the baddies stuck to you, so you need to reduce the damage that your allies take. Aegis of Assault is worthless IMO.

One thing that could help (if you decide to play a fighter instead of a swordmage) is to take a reach weapon, like that one spear (greatspear?) out of Adventurer's vault, and using that. Then take the Polearm Master PP out of Martial Power. That will make you even deadlier. Either choice is fine, though. Both are better than the other in different scenarios. Pick the one you want to play, and have fun with it.
#9
drigerott
Jan 17, 2009 13:39:01 i'm wizard but when came out swordmage i like it too much. I were planning to play a shielding swordmage an do coronal guard or multiclass into wizard and do WotST mmmmi don't know.

We are all lvl 6
#10
baneofelves
Jan 17, 2009 13:47:47
i'm wizard but when came out swordmage i like it too much. I were planning to play a shielding swordmage an do coronal guard or multiclass into wizard and do WotST mmmmi don't know.

We are all lvl 6

Coronal Guard lets you do your job better. Personally, I'd go with that, but in the end it's your choice. Both are fine choices.
#11
nightwyrm
Jan 17, 2009 14:00:57 Playing a swordmage is probably just fine. I wouldn't worry about having a controller too much since they're probably the least important role and the warlock is pretty controllish too.
#12
satori
Jan 17, 2009 14:13:50 Go with Swordmage -> Coronal Guard.

If you're still stuck, do this:

Pick a Race you REALLY like, then pick a class that mechanically makes sense for that race.

---

Race tends to be a much stickier subject than class, so I find picking the race first lets you narrow down your choices.

i.e. If you're a Legolas fan, then play an Elven Fighter.

Did you really like the Fey in the second Hellboy movie? Play an Eladrin Swordmage.

Really dig the Tieflings in this new edition? Try a Tiefling Charisma Paladin.

Just a thought.
#13
drigerott
Jan 17, 2009 14:17:46 i love humans ^^ ihhihi is my class since ever humans can do enything ihhihihi ^^ anyway probably i go with swordmage
#14
Dragoloth
Jan 18, 2009 1:07:16 Human paladins get +2 to all NADs (non-AC defenses). And the extra feat is nice for superior weapon proficiency.
#15
Psikerlord
Jan 18, 2009 4:59:05 I'd go fighter, maybe battlerager if you are using Martial Power, but wear scale. The pure stickiness will work wonders for your striker group. And the figher powers just have great names. :D
#16
drigerott
Jan 18, 2009 5:43:23 fighter is really nice (martial power) but i think swordmage is nicer :D
#17
etarnon
Jan 18, 2009 22:51:37 pick one at random, and then play it and have fun. If it dies, pick a different one.

In the end, it doesn't matter what you play if you got a good DM all characters will be challenged equally.

Best of luck, welcome to the life.
#18
zaque
Jan 20, 2009 20:27:01 Because this is almost the exact makeup of my party (mine has a wizard, though), I can definitely say that a Defender is the way to go. Both Fighter and Swordmage are good choices, but if you have Martial Power then the Fighter is going to have more options, and is probably going to be somewhat more powerful. You'd probably want to stick with a core Great Weapon or Guardian fighter rather than the Martial Power builds, which are more offense-focused. Martial power does have a number of options for the core builds.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 drigerott Jan 17, 2009 13:12:31	Hi my group is composed by: warlok, ranger, rogue, warlord... now can you help me?? i want to be human, maybe swordmage (shielding)...i like it but i don't know if it is a nice and good class to play. Maybe a fighter? mmmmm i can't decide, can you help me? (sorry for my english)
#2 drigerott Jan 17, 2009 13:19:01	Ranger is an archer(maybe he want to change in twf), warlock is star pact, rogue is close range combat.
#3 drigerott Jan 17, 2009 13:29:01	but play fighter (i was a wizard) is nice? or is most nice play a swordmage? maybe fighter is most usefull for my grup....mmm
#4 inkblot Jan 17, 2009 13:31:54	I think you should play a Paladin. As a defender, the Paladin helps pull monsters off the squishy ranged strikers. As a secondary-leader, the Paladin helps shore up the Warlord's healing. As a melee-combatant, the Paladin gives the Warlord another guy to use his best powers on. Swordmages are neat though. I just started playing a 5th level Eladrin Assault Swordmage, and was surprised at effective he was at pulling enemies away from the rest of the party. Literally pulling thanks to at-will Lightning Lure. Figuratively pulling thanks to being able to mark and run. What level are all the characters in your party? Is the Warlord tactical, inspiring, or resourceful? Is the Rogue a brutal scoundrel, an artful dodger, or a combat acrobat? Edit: All the classes are equally nice. In the end you should just play what you want. There is only a small difference between "best" and "not best."
#5 Valien Jan 17, 2009 13:33:24	Your group has A LOT of strikers, and no Controllers. In matter of being useful to your group, I would suggest a swordmage. The fighter is a defender with a pinch of striker. Your group doesn't need that. But there is no controller in your team. The swordmage is a defender with something of controller. That would be best. Get some close / area attacks (to kill minions and swarms), choose Aegis of Shielding (you do not need to deal dmg - leave dmg for the rest of your team). But this is what is best for the group. You should play with the class you want to.
#6 xophix3112 Jan 17, 2009 13:35:42	Hmm... 3 Strikers and 1 Leader... Your missing some roles in your team. I'd say, play Swordmage, since it has partial controller functions that can attack multiple targets. With a Warlord around, you practically NEED a defender, so that it can support you not only for healing, but also for positioning you to effective places on the battlefield or give you additional bonuses on damage and attack rolls.
#7 johnnii Jan 17, 2009 13:37:27	I really don't think it's such a major issue, just play the concept you would like to be and think is most fun. A two-handed brute, a defensive knight in shining armor and shield or a graceful swordsman enhanced by magic. These are examples of typical defenders, and even more archetypes is possible to make. How do you envision your defender?
#8 baneofelves Jan 17, 2009 13:38:49	Well, your best bet is either the Swordmage or Fighter. As a fighter, you can keep the enemies on you better, you're "stickier". However, like Xophix said, your group needs a controller, and Swordmages are good for that role. If you play a swordmage, take the defense aegis. You aren't going to be as good as a fighter at keeping the baddies stuck to you, so you need to reduce the damage that your allies take. Aegis of Assault is worthless IMO. One thing that could help (if you decide to play a fighter instead of a swordmage) is to take a reach weapon, like that one spear (greatspear?) out of Adventurer's vault, and using that. Then take the Polearm Master PP out of Martial Power. That will make you even deadlier. Either choice is fine, though. Both are better than the other in different scenarios. Pick the one you want to play, and have fun with it.
#9 drigerott Jan 17, 2009 13:39:01	i'm wizard but when came out swordmage i like it too much. I were planning to play a shielding swordmage an do coronal guard or multiclass into wizard and do WotST mmmmi don't know. We are all lvl 6
#10 baneofelves Jan 17, 2009 13:47:47	i'm wizard but when came out swordmage i like it too much. I were planning to play a shielding swordmage an do coronal guard or multiclass into wizard and do WotST mmmmi don't know. We are all lvl 6 Coronal Guard lets you do your job better. Personally, I'd go with that, but in the end it's your choice. Both are fine choices.
#11 nightwyrm Jan 17, 2009 14:00:57	Playing a swordmage is probably just fine. I wouldn't worry about having a controller too much since they're probably the least important role and the warlock is pretty controllish too.
#12 satori Jan 17, 2009 14:13:50	Go with Swordmage -> Coronal Guard. If you're still stuck, do this: Pick a Race you REALLY like, then pick a class that mechanically makes sense for that race. --- Race tends to be a much stickier subject than class, so I find picking the race first lets you narrow down your choices. i.e. If you're a Legolas fan, then play an Elven Fighter. Did you really like the Fey in the second Hellboy movie? Play an Eladrin Swordmage. Really dig the Tieflings in this new edition? Try a Tiefling Charisma Paladin. Just a thought.
#13 drigerott Jan 17, 2009 14:17:46	i love humans ^^ ihhihi is my class since ever humans can do enything ihhihihi ^^ anyway probably i go with swordmage
#14 Dragoloth Jan 18, 2009 1:07:16	Human paladins get +2 to all NADs (non-AC defenses). And the extra feat is nice for superior weapon proficiency.
#15 Psikerlord Jan 18, 2009 4:59:05	I'd go fighter, maybe battlerager if you are using Martial Power, but wear scale. The pure stickiness will work wonders for your striker group. And the figher powers just have great names. :D
#16 drigerott Jan 18, 2009 5:43:23	fighter is really nice (martial power) but i think swordmage is nicer :D
#17 etarnon Jan 18, 2009 22:51:37	pick one at random, and then play it and have fun. If it dies, pick a different one. In the end, it doesn't matter what you play if you got a good DM all characters will be challenged equally. Best of luck, welcome to the life.
#18 zaque Jan 20, 2009 20:27:01	Because this is almost the exact makeup of my party (mine has a wizard, though), I can definitely say that a Defender is the way to go. Both Fighter and Swordmage are good choices, but if you have Martial Power then the Fighter is going to have more options, and is probably going to be somewhat more powerful. You'd probably want to stick with a core Great Weapon or Guardian fighter rather than the Martial Power builds, which are more offense-focused. Martial power does have a number of options for the core builds.